Question for parents

[johnny on the spot]

Sad thing is, there'll happen a time when you're the last person they think about.

What kids re: parents? Not me mate, I check in on my mum all the time, hate the thought of her living back in manc alone

Who's to know what the next lot do...

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

George Orwell must be getting a chubba in his grave!!! ffs people that is the worst idea on the planet. I've seen schools taking fingerprints of young children (by police) for fun, and yes those prints are put into the system. Let kids grow up as we did

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

 

[roaminblue]

George Orwell must be getting a chubba in his grave!!! ffs people that is the worst idea on the planet. I've seen schools taking fingerprints of young children (by police) for fun, and yes those prints are put into the system. Let kids grow up as we did

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

So buy them an iPhone? Or any other smartphone? It doesn't need to be as sinister as implanting something under their skin.

Better yet, just be the type of parent who is vigilant to these issues, and know where your kids are.

Abduction isn't restricted to kids. The second rape of its kind in India in a month happened the other day, and they were adults.

Trouble is with this technology, it could eventually be used for governmental intervention. At least I think that's the point others are trying to make.

 

[Skashion]

George Orwell must be getting a chubba in his grave!!! ffs people that is the worst idea on the planet. I've seen schools taking fingerprints of young children (by police) for fun, and yes those prints are put into the system. Let kids grow up as we did

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8464122/Apple-iPhone-tracks-users-location-in-hidden-file.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/a ... -file.html</a>

 

[Skashion]

Trouble is with this technology, it could eventually be used for governmental intervention. At least I think that's the point others are trying to make.

Not really, it could be overcome with anyone with half a brain. Electronics are very easily damaged by too many volts. Anyone who has built a computer knows this. The components come in anti-static bags to avoid damage and you have to earth yourself whilst building it. Even overvolting by twice the allowed amount can damage a computer chip. Go and look up overvolting on the internet. It's something internet gamers do to try and overclock their systems more. We're talking very fine measures here. Gamers take high precautions even when overvolting by 10-20%. Overvolting by hundreds of times what they are designed for will utterly destroy a computer chip. Strong electro-magnets, a taser, a home-built EMP device would knock out any computer chip. Anything that transmits is easily defeated by a Faraday cage and it wouldn't be at all hard to turn a vehicle into a Faraday cage. They already are one of sorts which is why a car is the best place to be during a lightning storm.

 

[johnny on the spot]

Anyone else smell ginger?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

George Orwell must be getting a chubba in his grave!!! ffs people that is the worst idea on the planet. I've seen schools taking fingerprints of young children (by police) for fun, and yes those prints are put into the system. Let kids grow up as we did

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

You think no one tracks your phone?

 

[Swales lives]

I have 3 kids and the answer is no, no, no.

Apart from the complete invasion of their privacy please tell me the odds of any child in this country being kidnapped?

The UK is already one of the most surveilled countries in the world and one of the safest for children growing up in - microchipping simply adds a level of unnecessary paranoia.

Sense at last.

the powers that be in ths country are doing a very very good job of making people overly paranoid about the world they live in.
microchipping children, fuck me!!!! the little fellas hardly move out from in fron of the telly anyway, why chip them - to see if they go to the fridge for another chololate mousse? you'll let them have it anyway!!!!
get a grip, fucking police state already and you lot are demanding more observation of you.

I was getting worried reading the first two pages of this thread, the usual knee-jerk morons were voting yes without thinking. Page 3 has settled my concerns. I don't need to read any further.

Microchipping kids???? Jesus wept.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

George Orwell must be getting a chubba in his grave!!! ffs people that is the worst idea on the planet. I've seen schools taking fingerprints of young children (by police) for fun, and yes those prints are put into the system. Let kids grow up as we did

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

So buy them an iPhone? Or any other smartphone? It doesn't need to be as sinister as implanting something under their skin.

Better yet, just be the type of parent who is vigilant to these issues, and know where your kids are.

Abduction isn't restricted to kids. The second rape of its kind in India in a month happened the other day, and they were adults.

Trouble is with this technology, it could eventually be used for governmental intervention. At least I think that's the point others are trying to make.

Buying an iPhone for a 2 year old isn't really realistic is it.

How old are your kids?

And can we just clarify that nobody is advocating compulsory microchipping of kids - it would be a decision for the parents to make. Don't want your kids microchipped because of privacy concerns? You wouldn't have to. But for parents who want to, the option would be there. Same with iPhones - not happy with privacy of their GPS tracking - don't buy one!!!

 

[tidyman]

George Orwell must be getting a chubba in his grave!!! ffs people that is the worst idea on the planet. I've seen schools taking fingerprints of young children (by police) for fun, and yes those prints are put into the system. Let kids grow up as we did

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

Smart phone tracking might not be run by the police but it has been a God send to them. The first thing they do when the nick anyone now is take their phone off them and they have a record of their exact whereabouts for however long the person has had that phone.

Maybe your not bothered about criminals or even suspected criminals but to suggest the authorities aren't already using smart phone tracking systems to monitor people, is naive in the extreme.

 

[roaminblue]

Trouble is with this technology, it could eventually be used for governmental intervention. At least I think that's the point others are trying to make.

Not really, it could be overcome with anyone with half a brain. Electronics are very easily damaged by too many volts. Anyone who has built a computer knows this. The components come in anti-static bags to avoid damage and you have to earth yourself whilst building it. Even overvolting by twice the allowed amount can damage a computer chip. Go and look up overvolting on the internet. It's something internet gamers do to try and overclock their systems more. We're talking very fine measures here. Gamers take high precautions even when overvolting by 10-20%. Overvolting by hundreds of times what they are designed for will utterly destroy a computer chip. Strong electro-magnets, a taser, a home-built EMP device would knock out any computer chip. Anything that transmits is easily defeated by a Faraday cage and it wouldn't be at all hard to turn a vehicle into a Faraday cage. They already are one of sorts which is why a car is the best place to be during a lightning storm.

Very rational answer, I've been outdone by my own ignorance once more. but I still draw the same conclusions, there is no substitute for vigilance

I should have put "some people" I guess.<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:07 am --<br /><br />

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

So buy them an iPhone? Or any other smartphone? It doesn't need to be as sinister as implanting something under their skin.

Better yet, just be the type of parent who is vigilant to these issues, and know where your kids are.

Abduction isn't restricted to kids. The second rape of its kind in India in a month happened the other day, and they were adults.

Trouble is with this technology, it could eventually be used for governmental intervention. At least I think that's the point others are trying to make.

Buying an iPhone for a 2 year old isn't really realistic is it.

How old are your kids?

And can we just clarify that nobody is advocating compulsory microchipping of kids - it would be a decision for the parents to make. Don't want your kids microchipped because of privacy concerns? You wouldn't have to. But for parents who want to, the option would be there. Same with iPhones - not happy with privacy of their GPS tracking - don't buy one!!!

Why is a two year old going to be out of your sight for long enough to be kidnapped. I think most of the atrocities that happen to young kids like that tend to happen in nurseries or in the home. What's a tracker going to help with then? " oh they're exactly where I thought?"

I don't have kids, why?

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

George Orwell must be getting a chubba in his grave!!! ffs people that is the worst idea on the planet. I've seen schools taking fingerprints of young children (by police) for fun, and yes those prints are put into the system. Let kids grow up as we did

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

Smart phone tracking might not be run by the police but it has been a God send to them. The first thing they do when the nick anyone now is take their phone off them and they have a record of their exact whereabouts for however long the person has had that phone.

Maybe your not bothered about criminals or even suspected criminals but to suggest the authorities aren't already using smart phone tracking systems to monitor people, is naive in the extreme.

Don't buy a smartphone then. Get yourself a Nokia 6210 or something. Nobody is being forced to buy a smartphone.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

Trouble is with this technology, it could eventually be used for governmental intervention. At least I think that's the point others are trying to make.

Not really, it could be overcome with anyone with half a brain. Electronics are very easily damaged by too many volts. Anyone who has built a computer knows this. The components come in anti-static bags to avoid damage and you have to earth yourself whilst building it. Even overvolting by twice the allowed amount can damage a computer chip. Go and look up overvolting on the internet. It's something internet gamers do to try and overclock their systems more. We're talking very fine measures here. Gamers take high precautions even when overvolting by 10-20%. Overvolting by hundreds of times what they are designed for will utterly destroy a computer chip. Strong electro-magnets, a taser, a home-built EMP device would knock out any computer chip. Anything that transmits is easily defeated by a Faraday cage and it wouldn't be at all hard to turn a vehicle into a Faraday cage. They already are one of sorts which is why a car is the best place to be during a lightning storm.

Very rational answer, I've been outdone by my own ignorance once more. but I still draw the same conclusions, there is no substitute for vigilance

I should have put "some people" I guess.

-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:07 am --

So buy them an iPhone? Or any other smartphone? It doesn't need to be as sinister as implanting something under their skin.

Better yet, just be the type of parent who is vigilant to these issues, and know where your kids are.

Abduction isn't restricted to kids. The second rape of its kind in India in a month happened the other day, and they were adults.

Trouble is with this technology, it could eventually be used for governmental intervention. At least I think that's the point others are trying to make.

Buying an iPhone for a 2 year old isn't really realistic is it.

How old are your kids?

And can we just clarify that nobody is advocating compulsory microchipping of kids - it would be a decision for the parents to make. Don't want your kids microchipped because of privacy concerns? You wouldn't have to. But for parents who want to, the option would be there. Same with iPhones - not happy with privacy of their GPS tracking - don't buy one!!!

Why is a two year old going to be out of your sight for long enough to be kidnapped. I think most of the atrocities that happen to young kids like that tend to happen in nurseries or in the home. What's a tracker going to help with then? " oh they're exactly where I thought?"

I don't have kids, why?

I'm just confused as to why you feel the need to contribute to a thread entitled 'Question for parents'. But that's fine...

In relation to the point you make, if you had kids you would know that there are many many opportunities for them to go missing even if you are an ultra-vigilent parent. You've never had to take 2 or 3 young kids to the park - try keeping all of them in your line of sight at all times, especially if one grazes their knee or something - it's impossible. Then you've got busy shopping centres, theme parks, holidays - anywhere there are crowds. It happens a lot more than you might think.

 

[tidyman]

Have you heard of the 'find my iPhone' function? IT IS NOT RUN BY THE POLICE & GOVERNMENT. Find my iPhone enables a person to locate their phone if it is lost or stolen. It isn't used by apple or the government to spy on people 24/7. A chip for young children would work the same way?

Why are people not getting this???

Smart phone tracking might not be run by the police but it has been a God send to them. The first thing they do when the nick anyone now is take their phone off them and they have a record of their exact whereabouts for however long the person has had that phone.

Maybe your not bothered about criminals or even suspected criminals but to suggest the authorities aren't already using smart phone tracking systems to monitor people, is naive in the extreme.

Don't buy a smartphone then. Get yourself a Nokia 6210 or something. Nobody is being forced to buy a smartphone.

Thanks for the heads up but I was already aware that buying a smartphone isn't compulsory.

Your argument was though, that the authorities wouldn't use this silly chip idea as they don't use smartphones to monitor people.

And your answer, when pointed out that they do, is dont buy one then.

 

[Comrade Buka]

Modern parenting may hinder brain development, research shows

SUSAN GUIBERT • DATE: JANUARY 04, 2013

Social practices and cultural beliefs of modern life are preventing healthy brain and emotional development in children, according to an interdisciplinary body of research presented recently at a symposium at the University of Notre Dame.

“Life outcomes for American youth are worsening, especially in comparison to 50 years ago,” says Darcia Narvaez, Notre Dame professor of psychology who specializes in moral development in children and how early life experiences can influence brain development.

“Ill-advised practices and beliefs have become commonplace in our culture, such as the use of infant formula, the isolation of infants in their own rooms or the belief that responding too quickly to a fussing baby will ‘spoil’ it,” Narvaez says.

This new research links certain early, nurturing parenting practices — the kind common in foraging hunter-gatherer societies — to specific, healthy emotional outcomes in adulthood, and has many experts rethinking some of our modern, cultural child-rearing “norms.”

“Breast-feeding infants, responsiveness to crying, almost constant touch and having multiple adult caregivers are some of the nurturing ancestral parenting practices that are shown to positively impact the developing brain, which not only shapes personality, but also helps physical health and moral development,” says Narvaez.

Studies show that responding to a baby’s needs (not letting a baby “cry it out”) has been shown to influence the development of conscience; positive touch affects stress reactivity, impulse control and empathy; free play in nature influences social capacities and aggression; and a set of supportive caregivers (beyond the mother alone) predicts IQ and ego resilience as well as empathy.

The United States has been on a downward trajectory on all of these care characteristics, according to Narvaez. Instead of being held, infants spend much more time in carriers, car seats and strollers than they did in the past. Only about 15 percent of mothers are breast-feeding at all by 12 months, extended families are broken up and free play allowed by parents has decreased dramatically since 1970.

Whether the corollary to these modern practices or the result of other forces, an epidemic of anxiety and depression among all age groups, including young children; rising rates of aggressive behavior and delinquency in young children; and decreasing empathy, the backbone of compassionate, moral behavior, among college students, are shown in research.

According to Narvaez, however, other relatives and teachers also can have a beneficial impact when a child feels safe in their presence. Also, early deficits can be made up later, she says.

“The right brain, which governs much of our self-regulation, creativity and empathy, can grow throughout life. The right brain grows though full-body experience like rough-and-tumble play, dancing or freelance artistic creation. So at any point, a parent can take up a creative activity with a child and they can grow together.”

<a class="postlink" href="http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/36653-modern-parenting-may-hinder-brain-development-research-shows/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/36653-moder ... rch-shows/</a>

 

[SWP's back]

Funny how the likes of Skashion who has no kids can't resist sticking his oar into a thread titled 'Question for parents'.

The reasoning of an idiot.<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:24 am --<br /><br />

Most parents don't want to stalk their children and if they do it's generally because they love them and want to protect them.

Ah the "love stalking", stalking at its most romanticised.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Modern parenting may hinder brain development, research shows

SUSAN GUIBERT • DATE: JANUARY 04, 2013

Social practices and cultural beliefs of modern life are preventing healthy brain and emotional development in children, according to an interdisciplinary body of research presented recently at a symposium at the University of Notre Dame.

“Life outcomes for American youth are worsening, especially in comparison to 50 years ago,” says Darcia Narvaez, Notre Dame professor of psychology who specializes in moral development in children and how early life experiences can influence brain development.

“Ill-advised practices and beliefs have become commonplace in our culture, such as the use of infant formula, the isolation of infants in their own rooms or the belief that responding too quickly to a fussing baby will ‘spoil’ it,” Narvaez says.

This new research links certain early, nurturing parenting practices — the kind common in foraging hunter-gatherer societies — to specific, healthy emotional outcomes in adulthood, and has many experts rethinking some of our modern, cultural child-rearing “norms.”

“Breast-feeding infants, responsiveness to crying, almost constant touch and having multiple adult caregivers are some of the nurturing ancestral parenting practices that are shown to positively impact the developing brain, which not only shapes personality, but also helps physical health and moral development,” says Narvaez.

Studies show that responding to a baby’s needs (not letting a baby “cry it out”) has been shown to influence the development of conscience; positive touch affects stress reactivity, impulse control and empathy; free play in nature influences social capacities and aggression; and a set of supportive caregivers (beyond the mother alone) predicts IQ and ego resilience as well as empathy.

The United States has been on a downward trajectory on all of these care characteristics, according to Narvaez. Instead of being held, infants spend much more time in carriers, car seats and strollers than they did in the past. Only about 15 percent of mothers are breast-feeding at all by 12 months, extended families are broken up and free play allowed by parents has decreased dramatically since 1970.

Whether the corollary to these modern practices or the result of other forces, an epidemic of anxiety and depression among all age groups, including young children; rising rates of aggressive behavior and delinquency in young children; and decreasing empathy, the backbone of compassionate, moral behavior, among college students, are shown in research.

According to Narvaez, however, other relatives and teachers also can have a beneficial impact when a child feels safe in their presence. Also, early deficits can be made up later, she says.

“The right brain, which governs much of our self-regulation, creativity and empathy, can grow throughout life. The right brain grows though full-body experience like rough-and-tumble play, dancing or freelance artistic creation. So at any point, a parent can take up a creative activity with a child and they can grow together.”

<a class="postlink" href="http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/36653-modern-parenting-may-hinder-brain-development-research-shows/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/36653-moder ... rch-shows/</a>

That article, and this thread in general reminds me of this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wOt2iXdc4[/youtube]

 

[Swales lives]

Question to the OP - ARE YOU A PARENT?

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

Question to the OP - ARE YOU A PARENT?

Yes, and I put the safety and well-being of my kids above everything else in my life.

-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:40 am --

Funny how the likes of Skashion who has no kids can't resist sticking his oar into a thread titled 'Question for parents'.

The reasoning of an idiot.

-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:24 am --

Most parents don't want to stalk their children and if they do it's generally because they love them and want to protect them.

Ah the "love stalking", stalking at its most romanticised.

Why do you bother?<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:42 am --<br /><br />

Smart phone tracking might not be run by the police but it has been a God send to them. The first thing they do when the nick anyone now is take their phone off them and they have a record of their exact whereabouts for however long the person has had that phone.

Maybe your not bothered about criminals or even suspected criminals but to suggest the authorities aren't already using smart phone tracking systems to monitor people, is naive in the extreme.

Don't buy a smartphone then. Get yourself a Nokia 6210 or something. Nobody is being forced to buy a smartphone.

Thanks for the heads up but I was already aware that buying a smartphone isn't compulsory.

Your argument was though, that the authorities wouldn't use this silly chip idea as they don't use smartphones to monitor people.

And your answer, when pointed out that they do, is dont buy one then.

My point is that the authorities are irrelevant to what is being discussed.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Question to the OP - ARE YOU A PARENT?

Yes, and I put the safety and well-being of my kids above everything else in my life.

-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:40 am --

Funny how the likes of Skashion who has no kids can't resist sticking his oar into a thread titled 'Question for parents'.

The reasoning of an idiot.

-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:24 am --

Most parents don't want to stalk their children and if they do it's generally because they love them and want to protect them.

Ah the "love stalking", stalking at its most romanticised.

Why do you bother?

-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:42 am --

Don't buy a smartphone then. Get yourself a Nokia 6210 or something. Nobody is being forced to buy a smartphone.

Thanks for the heads up but I was already aware that buying a smartphone isn't compulsory.

Your argument was though, that the authorities wouldn't use this silly chip idea as they don't use smartphones to monitor people.

And your answer, when pointed out that they do, is dont buy one then.

My point is that the authorities are irrelevant to what is being discussed.

Your point is very wrong