Question Time

[Churchlawtonblue]

If 17.4m people had voted on the same basis, doubtless Remainers wouldn't be so up in arms about it. Sadly that's not the case.

Given the public were significantly in favour of Remain before the campaign started, it's clear a large number were indeed influenced by the lies.

How many do you think were influenced by the blatant lies of the remain camp?

 

[Blue Hefner]

How many do you think were influenced by the blatant lies of the remain camp?

Advertising works. Leave advertised very well and still are doing - I find it remarkable that people who still want to leave find the basics of advertising so difficult to grasp. Maybe not you, but advertising a better future than currently on offer was(is) obviously appealing

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[Churchlawtonblue]

Advertising works. Leave advertised very well and still are doing - I find it remarkable that people who still want to leave find the basics of advertising so difficult to grasp. Maybe not you, but advertising a better future than currently on offer was(is) obviously appealing

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The remain camp did exactly the same. Their lies were proffered and backed by the establishment.

 

[Blue Hefner]

The remain camp did exactly the same. Their lies were proffered and backed by the establishment.

That isn't quite true. Leave campaigned on a brighter future i.e an optimistic pick and mix of the world. Remain had no optimism whatsoever, it was Project Fear but as it turns out it's looking more like project fact - Leave had the better campaign, primarily as they were making it up as they went a long and had a little bit for everyone. From less immigration, to more trade. Whereas Remain spoke about house prices going down and interests rates going up - people who have no money and don't own a house would feel that doesn't apply to them but Polish people coming for their jobs does

We are going widely off topic, so I will leave(no pun intended) it here

 

[Chippy_boy]

How many do you think were influenced by the blatant lies of the remain camp?

I'm not aware of any blatant lies. And in any event, a lesser number.

But as I've said before, is your position that the referendum result should be cast in stone, unable to be questioned or challenged, on the basis that BOTH sides lied extensively and influenced the referendum result? In a court of law, when new evidence comes to light, verdicts can be challenged and ultimately deemed unsafe and retrials or acquitals can result. Odd that we'd afford such protection to individuals, but not to the entire country.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The remain camp did exactly the same. Their lies were proffered and backed by the establishment.

What lies are these exactly?

And please let's remember the definition of lies, i.e. intentionally false statements.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

What lies are these exactly?

And please let's remember the definition of lies, i.e. intentionally false statements.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/leave-lies-remainers-need_b_12191462.html

 

[Chippy_boy]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/leave-lies-remainers-need_b_12191462.html

You seem to have some trouble understanding the word "lie".

For example, "George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie".

This waa a prediction. There's no evidence it was a lie.

Contrast, "The money saved from leaving the EU will result in the NHS getting £350m a week". This was not a prediction. It was a lie.

"Turkey's 76m people are joining the EU - Good News?" Another lie.

"We can't stop Turkey joining". Lie

"We can't control our borders in the EU" Lie.

"The EU's accounts are never even signed off". Lie.

"60 to 70 percent of our laws come from the EU" Lie.

even, "We thought we were only joining a free trade zone". This maybe just a misconception to be fair, since the truth is widely forgotten. But the 1975 referendum explored fully the future direction of the EU and that ultimately it might result in closer political union. And we voted to remain on that basis.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

You seem to have some trouble understanding the word "lie".

For example, "George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie".

This waa a prediction. There's no evidence it was a lie.

Contrast, "The money saved from leaving the EU will result in the NHS getting £350m a week". This was not a prediction. It was a lie.

"Turkey's 76m people are joining the EU - Good News?" Another lie.

"We can't stop Turkey joining". Lie

"We can't control our borders in the EU" Lie.

"The EU's accounts are never even signed off". Lie.

"60 to 70 percent of our laws come from the EU" Lie.

even, "We thought we were only joining a free trade zone". This maybe just a misconception to be fair, since the truth is widely forgotten. But the 1975 referendum explored fully the future direction of the EU and that ultimately it might result in closer political union. And we voted to remain on that basis.

I think it ridiculous that you are trying to separate one politicians lies from another just because it suits your agenda. Totally ridiculous. Wake up and smell the coffee man!

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think it ridiculous that you are trying to separate one politicians lies from another just because it suits your agenda. Totally ridiculous. Wake up and smell the coffee man!

I'm not suggesting the Remain camp was squeaky clean, what I am suggesting that they did not tell wholesale and widespread lies, unlike the Leave camp, which did. This is not because of how I voted or because of my "agenda", it's because it's what I think is true.

And if it's not, then go ahead and let's here what the copious Remain lies were. Should be easy enough... I'm happy tell you what the Leave lies were. I've given you half a dozen already.

There's a vast difference between making predictions such as we'll need to have an emergence budget, which didn't happen because the bloke who was going to call one got fired... and saying "We cannot prevent Turkey from joining the EU", which is not a prediction, it's a bare-faced lie.