bluethrunthru
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Everything Brexiteers promised it would be could be a start. At the same time if its not the Tories fault who do you blame it on?
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Everything Brexiteers promised it would be could be a start. At the same time if its not the Tories fault who do you blame it on?
hilts
Well-Known Member
Also its not that half the country isn't fond of the EU. Its just over half of those who voted - many didn't because they were excluded for various reasons but 17.4m isn't 50% of the population of just over 60m.
Desperate argument what % of the population voted stay? The sheer fuckwittery of that argument always brings a smile. I also note those who are not fond of the Eu but are scared of leaving was left out. Of those eligible to vote and those that could be arsed more than 52% aren’t lovers of the Eu. That is a fact I’m afraid.
hilts
Well-Known Member
Everything Brexiteers promised it would be could be a start. At the same time if its not the Tories fault who do you blame it on?
It’s the Tories fault that a lot of people aren’t fond of the EU?
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
Desperate argument what % of the population voted stay? The sheer fuckwittery of that argument always brings a smile. I also note those who are not fond of the Eu but are scared of leaving was left out. Of those eligible to vote and those that could be arsed more than 52% aren’t lovers of the Eu. That is a fact I’m afraid.
Just pointing out the error in Brexiteers maths and the explanation of what happened - If you read what I put I never said that there could be any way of telling what the result would have been just that 17.4 isn't 50% of 60.
Now - who is "to blame" in your view then?
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
It’s the Tories fault that a lot of people aren’t fond of the EU?
You know exactly what the question is - such a cop out answer I am sure you could do better.
hilts
Well-Known Member
Just pointing out the error in Brexiteers maths and the explanation of what happened - If you read what I put I never said that there could be any way of telling what the result would have been just that 17.4 isn't 50% of 60.
Now - who is "to blame" in your view then?
It’s not an error you can’t include 2 year olds or people that can’t be arsed, if that’s your point no election in any country in the world means anything. Your lot got less votes it doesn’t mean your wrong but that’s democracy. I know youre not big on democracy mind.
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
It’s the Tories fault that a lot of people aren’t fond of the EU?
To refresh your memory - I agree with what Urban Genie wrote - you say they aren't which means you must consider some other force is behind it - who?
Yeah but he replied to you saying brexit wasn't the tories fault.
They put a commitment to a referendum in their manifesto running scared of UKIP.
They then went into it expecting to win a remain majority and so never even had a plan for a leave win.
They have spent all the time since infighting which has resulted in Mays wank deal.
I would say the brexit shambles is all on the tories
hilts
Well-Known Member
You know exactly what the question is - such a cop out answer I am sure you could do better.
I’m not even looking at it, I’m anti Eu and don’t vote Tory so how the fuck did the Tories make me vote leave. Your gripe is the people of this country got a say which in fairness is a shit stance to hold.
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
It’s not an error you can’t include 2 year olds or people that can’t be arsed, if that’s your point no election in any country in the world means anything. Your lot got less votes it doesn’t mean your wrong but that’s democracy. I know youre not big on democracy mind.
You are adding a vote into an answer that wasn't about a vote - my answer was about simple maths - 17.4 is not 50% of 60.
hilts
Well-Known Member
To refresh your memory - I agree with what Urban Genie wrote - you say they aren't which means you must consider some other force is behind it - who?
Yeah but he replied to you saying brexit wasn't the tories fault.
They put a commitment to a referendum in their manifesto running scared of UKIP.
They then went into it expecting to win a remain majority and so never even had a plan for a leave win.
They have spent all the time since infighting which has resulted in Mays wank deal.
I would say the brexit shambles is all on the tories
Then you don’t get it which ironically is how we ended up here, you never learn.
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
I’m not even looking at it, I’m anti Eu and don’t vote Tory so how the fuck did the Tories make me vote leave. Your gripe is the people of this country got a say which in fairness is a shit stance to hold.
So you are copping out. Fair enough. You weren't asked which way you vote you weren't asked whether the Tories influenced you there was a simple chronological chain of events culminating in a disastrous infighting campaign within the current Tory govt resulting on what is thought all around to be a shit proposal by Mayday. You have systematically avoided answering why you think that chronology doesn't make Brexit a Tory construct. Thats fine. Doesn't make you a bad person if you have no answer no sweat.
hilts
Well-Known Member
You are adding a vote into an answer that wasn't about a vote - my answer was about simple maths - 17.4 is not 50% of 60.
I’m not going over this again a child could get it
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
I’m not going over this again a child could get it
good. Glad it sunk in. We will do long division tomorrow.
hilts
Well-Known Member
So you are copping out. Fair enough. You weren't asked which way you vote you weren't asked whether the Tories influenced you there was a simple chronological chain of events culminating in a disastrous infighting campaign within the current Tory govt resulting on what is thought all around to be a shit proposal by Mayday. You have systematically avoided answering why you think that chronology doesn't make Brexit a Tory construct. Thats fine. Doesn't make you a bad person if you have no answer no sweat.
I have answered you several times but it seems you are too dim to understand. The Tories could have held an election on every male cutting off their own left bollock. It wouldn’t win. The Tories didn’t make or even as a party influence people to vote leave, in fact they told people to stay. Your problem is the people had a choice and frankly that makes you morally corrupt.
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
I have answered you several times but it seems you are too dim to understand. The Tories could have held an election on every male cutting off their own left bollock. It wouldn’t win. The Tories didn’t make or even as a party influence people to vote leave, in fact they told people to stay. You’re problem is the people had a choice and frankly that makes you morally corrupt.
oh dear - lets do it one at a time shall we?
1/ Did Cameron promise a referendum in his GE manifesto which resulted in a Leave vote?
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
I have answered you several times but it seems you are too dim to understand. The Tories could have held an election on every male cutting off their own left bollock. It wouldn’t win. The Tories didn’t make or even as a party influence people to vote leave, in fact they told people to stay. Your problem is the people had a choice and frankly that makes you morally corrupt.
2/ on resigning May became PM and has presided over the Tory party and Brexit?
bluethrunthru
Well-Known Member
I have answered you several times but it seems you are too dim to understand. The Tories could have held an election on every male cutting off their own left bollock. It wouldn’t win. The Tories didn’t make or even as a party influence people to vote leave, in fact they told people to stay. Your problem is the people had a choice and frankly that makes you morally corrupt.
3/ Three Tory Brexit secretarys have been appointed by May? During this time the Tory party has been riven with infighting and calls for her to go with at least one failed leadership challenge? She has now won a deal that has drawn general derision and is unlikely to get through the commons? The Tory party and the country are no nearer coming together over Brexit?
Do you agree with all 3 points and therefore see why its a Tory construct. Its not about who persuaded who to do what its the simple handling that myself and Urban Genie were on about or more the mishandling which we lay at the Tory partys doorstep.
hilts
Well-Known Member
oh dear - lets do it one at a time shall we?
1/ Did Cameron promise a referendum in his GE manifesto which resulted in a Leave vote?
Thick as pig shit you literally read a post ignore and continue posting your own shit, in future I shall read your posts and just reply with wibble
hilts
Well-Known Member
2/ on resigning May became PM and has presided over the Tory party and Brexit?
Wibble
hilts
Well-Known Member
3/ Three Tory Brexit secretarys have been appointed by May? During this time the Tory party has been riven with infighting and calls for her to go with at least one failed leadership challenge? She has now won a deal that has drawn general derision and is unlikely to get through the commons? The Tory party and the country are no nearer coming together over Brexit?
Do you agree with all 3 points and therefore see why its a Tory construct. Its not about who persuaded who to do what its the simple handling that myself and Urban Genie were on about or more the mishandling which we lay at the Tory partys doorstep.
Wibble