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The Brexit Party doing well anywhere is absolutely no evidence for a shift towards Brexit from Remain.

It’s evidence that those that support Brexit don’t believe the Tories or Labour are going to deliver their version of what they want it to be.

Only 13% voting for that party shows that hard Brexit has poor following in Scotland.

Independence polling has increased largely because of Scotland’s pro European stance.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-for-scottish-independence-to-49-percent/amp/
I never said that the BP polling at the numbers they were was evident of anything, just pointing out that this is the only poll that references the BP and has any indication about current voting intentions in Scotland.

I'm asking where are these polls that indicate that remain intentions in Scotland has reduced/risen? Scottish Independence has been polling at around 50% ever since the 2014 referendum, it's nothing new, nor indicative of remaining as many SNP voters also voted to leave the EU. So where are all these polls that specifically show that remaining in the EU in Scotland has not shown signs of waning or seen people changing their minds?
 
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I never said that the BP polling at the numbers they were was evident of anything, just pointing out that this is the only poll that references the BP and has any indication about current voting intentions in Scotland.

I'm asking where are these polls that indicate that remain intentions in Scotland has reduced/risen? Scottish Independence has been polling at around 50% ever since the 2014 referendum, it's nothing new, nor indicative of remaining as many SNP voters also voted to leave the EU. So where are all these polls that specifically show that remaining in the EU in Scotland has not shown signs of waning or seen people changing their minds?

Independence and the SNP vote are two separate entities, what I’ve just shown you explains that the independence vote has gone up to 54% and YouGov have said it’s because of Scotland preferring to remain an EU member than UK.

If people who didn’t prior want independence in Scotland from the UK, are now changing their minds, the only change has been Brexit.

Also, the results of the most comprehensive surgery are here - https://www.channel4.com/news/major-new-brexit-poll-shows-voters-swinging-towards-remain

It still shows that no a single constituency in Scotland supports Leave and the UK as a whole now favours remain.

The ordinance on QT had a minimum of 3/4, possibly even 90%+ clapping and cheering a Tory supporting Brexit.

That isn’t done without carefully picking people.
 
You've genuinely no idea how stupid that post is, have you. Quite astonishing.

You've just made a big stand about how if you state or claim something you cannot prove to be true, it is a lie. (A quite ridiculous assertion of course but there you go.)

And then you post that gif, which is so far wide of the mark it's untrue. You liar ;-)
 
Independence and the SNP vote are two separate entities, what I’ve just shown you explains that the independence vote has gone up to 54% and YouGov have said it’s because of Scotland preferring to remain an EU member than UK.

If people who didn’t prior want independence in Scotland from the UK, are now changing their minds, the only change has been Brexit.

Also, the results of the most comprehensive surgery are here - https://www.channel4.com/news/major-new-brexit-poll-shows-voters-swinging-towards-remain

It still shows that no a single constituency in Scotland supports Leave and the UK as a whole now favours remain.

The ordinance on QT had a minimum of 3/4, possibly even 90%+ clapping and cheering a Tory supporting Brexit.

That isn’t done without carefully picking people.
But Scottish Independence isn't directly linked to Brexit as many Scottish voters also voted to stay in the UK but leave the EU, just as many voted to leave the UK AND leave the EU in equal measure. Scottish Independence has been a topic of debate long before brexit. Remember that SNP voters were told that leaving the UK meant leaving the EU and they still opted to vote to leave the UK, so the EU wasn't really their main concern.


The CH4 poll is from 6 months ago. That's nowhere near recent nor does it disprove why so many dissented voices about brexit were in tonight's audience. Things may have changed rapidly in the past month since the announcement of the Brexit Party. Scottish remainers might very well have become incensed at both the SNP and the Tories for failing to honour the result of the referendum. We simply don't know.

If you genuinely believe that the BBC is selectively choosing audiences, why is nothing mentioned when heavily pro-remain audiences are evident? Why watch the program if you believe this is the case?
 
You've genuinely no idea how stupid that post is, have you. Quite astonishing.

You've just made a big stand about how if you state or claim something you cannot prove to be true, it is a lie. (A quite ridiculous assertion of course but there you go.)

And then you post that gif, which is so far wide of the mark it's untrue. You liar ;-)

Can only go off your previous posts, I confirm this is an opinion of you which I have formed, I think it may be the case. I do not claim it to be a matter of fact.

Quite liberating that. Join me on the moral high ground the view is lovely.
 
But Scottish Independence isn't directly linked to Brexit as many Scottish voters also voted to stay in the UK but leave the EU, just as many voted to leave the UK AND leave the EU in equal measure. Scottish Independence has been a topic of debate long before brexit. Remember that SNP voters were told that leaving the UK meant leaving the EU and they still opted to vote to leave the UK, so the EU wasn't really their main concern.


The CH4 poll is from 6 months ago. That's nowhere near recent nor does it disprove why so many dissented voices about brexit were in tonight's audience. Things may have changed rapidly in the past month since the announcement of the Brexit Party. Scottish remainers might very well have become incensed at both the SNP and the Tories for failing to honour the result of the referendum. We simply don't know.

If you genuinely believe that the BBC is selectively choosing audiences, why is nothing mentioned when heavily pro-remain audiences are evident? Why watch the program if you believe this is the case?

He watched the programme, some/a lot of the audience clapped something he didn’t agree with so it must be a conspiracy. It’s a remainer trait, no more to be said really.
 
But Scottish Independence isn't directly linked to Brexit as many Scottish voters also voted to stay in the UK but leave the EU, just as many voted to leave the UK AND leave the EU in equal measure. Scottish Independence has been a topic of debate long before brexit. Remember that SNP voters were told that leaving the UK meant leaving the EU and they still opted to vote to leave the UK, so the EU wasn't really their main concern.


The CH4 poll is from 6 months ago. That's nowhere near recent nor does it disprove why so many dissented voices about brexit were in tonight's audience. Things may have changed rapidly in the past month since the announcement of the Brexit Party. Scottish remainers might very well have become incensed at both the SNP and the Tories for failing to honour the result of the referendum. We simply don't know.

If you genuinely believe that the BBC is selectively choosing audiences, why is nothing mentioned when heavily pro-remain audiences are evident? Why watch the program if you believe this is the case?

Saying many voted to leave the UK and the EU and stay in the UK but leave the EU all depends on your definition of “many” - in the grand scheme of Scotland they are split on UK membership but voted comfortably in favour of remain and as you can see from the graphs in the link provided, not a single constituency voted for Brexit in 2016 and only 6 months ago not a single constituency polled for Leave still, anywhere in Scotland. It’s the most pro-Remain country in the UK by a distance.

Things can change in 6 months but when there’s no movement whatsoever in 2 years towards leave in the polling and that the independence vote has gone up since we’ve voted for Brexit, I think it’s a huge stretch to say a random BBC audiences now holds a vast majority of Leavers in it.

The independence vote for me is as ridiculous, if not more than Brexit. The SNP lied during the campaign, just as Remain and Leave did on Brexit (leave lying significantly and crucially much more and actually then cheating).

Whilst they were voting to leave the EU, they were told they’d become members immediately which may or may not have been true.

Scottish independence voters weren’t voting to leave the EU, in their view, whether they were or weren’t - they didn’t believe they were.

The Brexit Party only hold influence with a certain percentage of Brexit voters. They literally have no policy but No Deal Brexit, no manifesto. Just a reptilian atrocity, pocket fascist, going around the country telling people No Deal is the way to go, when he campaigned for a Brexit with a Deal in 2016, whilst lining his pockets more and more (C4 has today found evidence Aaron Banks has been giving him £100,000’s for his private life, including money towards a flat) and with the real risk, what he’s preaching will absolutely decimate the livelihoods of those he’s spouting this garbage of hatred to.

Farage turning up in Scotland and changing their minds is a bit insulting to say the least.

I haven’t watched it for a few weeks now as it’s on too late for getting up for work. I happen to me off tomorrow as I’m finally moving house so can have a semi lie in. Decided to give it a go and was gobsmacked.

I stuck with it because it’s massively important to hear the views of your opposition, it’s why I’m posting to you right now. Will I change your mind on Brexit? Probably not but I’ll learn what your side thinks and we may slightly change each other’s minds to the point of easing up on some elements of our views.

We’ve previously done that and had we both been the deciding parties in Westminster, we’d now have left with Common Market 2.0 and with a view to then leave further based on the next GE results or to rejoin with full membership, should that be the party next voted in.
 
Saying many voted to leave the UK and the EU and stay in the UK but leave the EU all depends on your definition of “many” - in the grand scheme of Scotland they are split on UK membership but voted comfortably in favour of remain and as you can see from the graphs in the link provided, not a single constituency voted for Brexit in 2016 and only 6 months ago not a single constituency polled for Leave still, anywhere in Scotland. It’s the most pro-Remain country in the UK by a distance.

Things can change in 6 months but when there’s no movement whatsoever in 2 years towards leave in the polling and that the independence vote has gone up since we’ve voted for Brexit, I think it’s a huge stretch to say a random BBC audiences now holds a vast majority of Leavers in it.

The independence vote for me is as ridiculous, if not more than Brexit. The SNP lied during the campaign, just as Remain and Leave did on Brexit (leave lying significantly and crucially much more and actually then cheating).

Whilst they were voting to leave the EU, they were told they’d become members immediately which may or may not have been true.

Scottish independence voters weren’t voting to leave the EU, in their view, whether they were or weren’t - they didn’t believe they were.

The Brexit Party only hold influence with a certain percentage of Brexit voters. They literally have no policy but No Deal Brexit, no manifesto. Just a reptilian atrocity, pocket fascist, going around the country telling people No Deal is the way to go, when he campaigned for a Brexit with a Deal in 2016, whilst lining his pockets more and more (C4 has today found evidence Aaron Banks has been giving him £100,000’s for his private life, including money towards a flat) and with the real risk, what he’s preaching will absolutely decimate the livelihoods of those he’s spouting this garbage of hatred to.

Farage turning up in Scotland and changing their minds is a bit insulting to say the least.

I haven’t watched it for a few weeks now as it’s on too late for getting up for work. I happen to me off tomorrow as I’m finally moving house so can have a semi lie in. Decided to give it a go and was gobsmacked.

I stuck with it because it’s massively important to hear the views of your opposition, it’s why I’m posting to you right now. Will I change your mind on Brexit? Probably not but I’ll learn what your side thinks and we may slightly change each other’s minds to the point of easing up on some elements of our views.

We’ve previously done that and had we both been the deciding parties in Westminster, we’d now have left with Common Market 2.0 and with a view to then leave further based on the next GE results or to rejoin with full membership, should that be the party next voted in.
Bear in mind that in no way am I suggesting that the Scottish voters will have seen a seismic shift in support of leave suddenly. Maybe 4% shift in certain areas at a guess, i'm just making the suggestion that the reason you're seeing this animosity and more vocal brexit voices, even in places as Scotland, is that possibly some remainers are as angry as the leavers are that we haven't left the EU, and accuse our own Parliament for failing to implement a democratic decision undertaken by the electorate.

That although they are still remainers and would vote to remain in another referendum, they still agree that we must leave the EU on that basis and that Parliament has taken way too long due to their own pettiness, infighting and bickering, to implement a satisfactory conclusion that delivers upon the promise they all made in 2016 before the referendum, when they voted to invoke A50, when we voted for parties that made leaving the EU part of their manifesto in 2017, and yet still, have failed to do so.

They've not changed their mind on support of the EU, they've possibly changed their minds on opposing the decision to leave and reject the notion to hold another referendum.
 
BBC have turned the programme into an intellectual version of Jeremy Kyle.

Fiona Bruce doesn't act like a chair facilitating debate. Shit stirring to suit the editorial she's been given.
 
If you genuinely believe that the BBC is selectively choosing audiences, why is nothing mentioned when heavily pro-remain audiences are evident? Why watch the program if you believe this is the case?
I thought it was common knowledge that the BBC selectively chooses the audience for Question Time. Don't they in theory at least deliberately attempt to get a representative audience? The only question is whether it's supposed to be representative of the local opinion of wherever it's being hosted (you'd think so, otherwise what's the point of moving it around?) or nationally representative. Presumably it's also designed to prevent particular fringe groups from encouraging their members to apply to be in the audience and then creating an audience that's entirely anti-abortion when the visit Northern Ireland, for example.
 
The usual logical fallacy. Promising a referendum (especially if both main parties are saying it) doesn't mean that determined the result. And as both parties thought a referendum would see off the rabidly anti-EU minority, because that's what the polls told them, the suggestion that the public was pro-Remain was not "given the lie".

I never know whether you make these specious arguments knowing they're specious or just don't get logical arguments.
I never know whether you make these specious arguments knowing they're specious or just don't get logical arguments
 
Fella I have no problem with you honest. I don’t try and change remainers minds it’s pointless all I do is highlight their hypocrisy and knock down their moral pontifications. Like I said earlier state whatever opinion you like it’s a free country, I think you are wasting your time but it’s your free time and you can waste it/use it however you see fit. But if you make a statement that cannot be proven and word it as a fact I will comment on it. Our views on brexit are polar opposites. You are more based on the economics and I have a totally different angle. I’m lucky in that I cannot lose from this fiasco.

We ain’t changing anything on here so your posts or mine ain’t changing shit.
Your advice was entirely valid and given in a reasonable manner

I very often use - IMO - when I am giving, well - my opinion

Some on here seem to feel that their opinions carry more weight than those of others and should be treated as absolute facts

Must be some sort of ego issue I guess
 

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