Queues

MCFCTrick said:
If they wished to gain entry to the stadium, they just have to leave it until near the end .... the gates near us 132, are opened, and often local kids pile in and watch the last five or ten mins. Makes a mockery of the searches.
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Totally agree with this. If the club were really serious about security and not just paying lip service to it they would have people preventing access to the stadium when the gates are opened near the end of games. It's an open invitation to a terrorist. Why make it easy for them.
The clubs thinking on security is very narrow.
There are also mega problems outside the stadium both before and after the game, which are more difficult to solve but they are the soft targets that are more likely to attract terrorists.
The searches on entering the ground need to be real and not just cursery and ad hoc, as at present.
 
This going to sound crass but it isn't intended that way. A massive club over the road with American owners would grab bigger headlines.
 
citykev28 said:
Another thing that makes a mockery of the searches is this little gem;

My uncle, a lot on here will know him as Badger, got through security checks at two consecutive home games whilst wearing his scarf full of about 3-400 badges under a jacket. On one of the occasions, he unzipped his jacket and asked how the scarf wasn't picked up.

"Ssshhh, there's no batteries in the device." came the reply.
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Badger is a fucking legend.
 
Entrance B gets longer every week.

I think the whole thing needs revising... I don't have the answer myself, but I went to the Stone Roses and the queues were nowhere near as bad.
 
Every game I have the same items in my coat pocket. Keys, Phone, Specs (in metal case) and several coins. I've never been challenged after being 'wanded'. Not once.

There's no way I'd get through any airport security carrying any one of those items, let alone all of them. I have no faith whatsoever that the current so-called 'security' procedures at the Etihad are effective.

In the aftermath of the terrible events at the Arena the whole security approach at the Etihad has to improve drastically. As others have suggested, I would agree that an initial check alongside armed police presence needs to be made at the perimeter entrances, followed by effective checks at the turnstiles - and using wands that actually work.

The fact remains that we now know that entrance checks alone will not deter a terrorist. City Square and the turnstile approaches are arguably more vulnerable that the Arena foyer. Our world changed on Monday night and City along with the GMP need to get it sorted. A hell of a lot of football supporters (me included) will no longer feel safe until they do so. If it takes longer to enter the stadium then so be it.
 
Would be very surprised if we dont have perimeter checks next season, the trams. Would be the tricky bit as it would bring you up inside the perimeter and is used by non match going public that would need to be checked at the top of the steps I'd guess.
 
I think the way forward is to have gates and security checks before entering around the ground.
This will be staggered for a few hours up till kick as people want to watch the entertainment beforehand and people turn up later and straight into the ground.
Think I can remember something similar at Munich
 
I've attended straight from work many times with a rucksack full of my work gear I've changed out of and various things like phone chargers and that. They always had a look inside, saw clothes and left it. Once I emptied it when I got home from a match to find some of the cardboard cutters and blades that I had long ago thrown into the bottom of the bag. That was about 2 years ago, they'll have to up their game I think.
 
BillCarlisle Ex-Manchester said:
Every game I have the same items in my coat pocket. Keys, Phone, Specs (in metal case) and several coins. I've never been challenged after being 'wanded'. Not once.

There's no way I'd get through any airport security carrying any one of those items, let alone all of them. I have no faith whatsoever that the current so-called 'security' procedures at the Etihad are effective.

In the aftermath of the terrible events at the Arena the whole security approach at the Etihad has to improve drastically. As others have suggested, I would agree that an initial check alongside armed police presence needs to be made at the perimeter entrances, followed by effective checks at the turnstiles - and using wands that actually work.

The fact remains that we now know that entrance checks alone will not deter a terrorist. City Square and the turnstile approaches are arguably more vulnerable that the Arena foyer. Our world changed on Monday night and City along with the GMP need to get it sorted. A hell of a lot of football supporters (me included) will no longer feel safe until they do so. If it takes longer to enter the stadium then so be it.
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I go to away games and sometimes you have to show the inside of your glasses case and your keys, but I don't know what the wand shakers at the Etihad are looking for?

I've never been asked to reveal the contents of my pockets.

There is always a large blue bin in the area around the turnstiles, and they seem more interested in stopping people entering the ground with flasks of coffee and bottles of water in their bags than detecting explosives.

Last season I went to Newcastle. There was a sniffer dog which obviously failed to smell a blue with a flair in his or her pocket, as it landed next to me when it was lit, and it's not the only time it has happened.

I don't think security at football grounds is taken seriously. What are those disguised coat hangers they use to scan us supposed to reveal?

Walk down Ashton Road after a game heading back into town, and there are thousands all over the road walking along. How can you stop a 40 ton truck with a crazed madman at the wheel driving up the hill at 60 MPH mowing people down?

You can't, and there is only so much the security services can do, but I can't help thinking the bag searches before you enter a ground, be it home or away, are nothing more than a box ticking exercise for the benefit of the elf and safety brigade at the clubs involved.
 
BillCarlisle Ex-Manchester said:
Every game I have the same items in my coat pocket. Keys, Phone, Specs (in metal case) and several coins. I've never been challenged after being 'wanded'. Not once.

There's no way I'd get through any airport security carrying any one of those items, let alone all of them. I have no faith whatsoever that the current so-called 'security' procedures at the Etihad are effective.

In the aftermath of the terrible events at the Arena the whole security approach at the Etihad has to improve drastically. As others have suggested, I would agree that an initial check alongside armed police presence needs to be made at the perimeter entrances, followed by effective checks at the turnstiles - and using wands that actually work.

The fact remains that we now know that entrance checks alone will not deter a terrorist. City Square and the turnstile approaches are arguably more vulnerable that the Arena foyer. Our world changed on Monday night and City along with the GMP need to get it sorted. A hell of a lot of football supporters (me included) will no longer feel safe until they do so. If it takes longer to enter the stadium then so be it.
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I've been "challenged" a few times. Usually "Is that your keys in your pocket?" "No, that's my Kindle/phone/radio" "Okay". I was asked once to produce my keys from of my pocket, but wasn't asked to show that there was anything else there.

It does come across as a token gesture, a nod to increased security rather than increased security. Many on here have made the obvious point that a terrorist attack is more likely to occur on the Metro or outside the ground. If anything the security checks just increase the number of people who would be caught up in an attack outside the ground. If we know that, surely the club knows it?
 
Theres absolutely nothing that can be done. No matter where you do security checks there will be crowds, and they are the soft targets.
The bomber didnt have a ticket to the gig, he didnt get in the arena, he was in a place where no security checks take place
 
well done Showsec and MCFC match day security

Brilliant today not a queue in sight, not before time.

Was able to get in, by a pound dog and get a beer, and still made it to my seat in time for the kick off.
 
Big queues for me getting in today, but on the plus side they've actually put some batteries in the metal detectors, I actually set one off today.
 
Got there at 2:20 was in for 2:35 sure people are making it up when they say they miss KO when they queue 45 minutes beforehand
 
Took my kid today which I don't often get to do. I noticed they didn't search him at all and waved him through. That kinda makes every other search pointless as if I wanted to smuggle anything in (which I dont) then that's the obv way forward. Is it normal not to bother searching kids? I'm pretty certain a terrorist wouldn't think twice about using them so why not? Just makes a mockery of the whole security. Either do it right or not at all.
 
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