R.I.P to the 23 lost in Munich

[BufordUSABlue]

The Torino air crash actually killed more people but is never really talked about much and is just remembered by the club, it doesn't get this worldwide attention that Munich does. Munich was a horrible tragedy but make no mistake that United have deliberately used that tragedy to help them become the biggest club in England. Gary James' latest book talks about it a little. All tragedies should be remembered and mourned but none should be exploited.

RIP to them all.

And with that post you have hit nail exactly on the head!
The genuine tragedy of the Munich disaster has been turned into a constant and ongoing marketing / promotional campaign for the pursuit of money and wealth.

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That said, RIP to all who passed on that tragic day both Blue and Red alike..

 

[Interpolantics]

The Torino air crash actually killed more people but is never really talked about much and is just remembered by the club, it doesn't get this worldwide attention that Munich does. Munich was a horrible tragedy but make no mistake that United have deliberately used that tragedy to help them become the biggest club in England. Gary James' latest book talks about it a little. All tragedies should be remembered and mourned but none should be exploited.

RIP to them all.

If the Torino air crash doesn't get worldwide attention how come you've heard of it?I've also heard of it so it must have got some attention to reach these shores.I also remember the Zambian national team crash of 1993.You're sentiments are full of bitterness tbh.

I'm not sure this is the correct thread to discuss this but as it's been brought up, here's my take on it. Whether he's being bitter or not, he does have a point. The Superga air disaster, while a huge story in Italy, didn't get the same blanket international coverage that Munich got. Although only 9 years separated the 2 disasters, Munich got far more exposure. Now as much as this forum loves a good agenda story, I'm not suggesting anything of the sort here. The fact is that in 1958 the football landscape in Europe had changed dramatically when compared to 1949, primarily because of the introduction of European competition. Munich happened when United were on their way back home from a high-profile European fixture and as such the story appeared on far more front pages of foreign newspapers than Superga, whereas Torino were returning from an exhibition match against Benfica. The result of the differences in media coverage of the 2 disasters is that it led to United's name being indelibly marked on the minds of many people who previously knew little or nothing about the club, the outcome being that United gained many new fans - locally, nationally, and internationally. Of course, if United hadn't recovered so well to go on to win the European Cup a decade later then some of that new support may well have drifted away so while they maintained that support as a result of how they performed on the pitch, it was an event off the pitch that led to them supporting United in the first place.

Torino, on the other hand, gained few if any new fans yet at the time of Superga they were by far and away the best team in Italy, were on their way to winning a 5th successive Serie A title, and never fully recovered in the aftermath - this was almost certainly due to them losing their whole first-team squad (10 of whom were full Italian internationals) and coaching staff in the crash. Only 3 players from their senior squad who hadn't travelled remained out of their whole playing and coaching staff.

Why are you telling me this when I've clearly stated I've heard of this tragedy?Torinos tragedy was indeed as big a tragedy as Uniteds,it's got nothing to do with football imo though as it was a human tragedy which goes beyond a game.Torinos tragedy happened not long after WW2 where people had been a lot less sensitive regarding death whilst Munich came that bit later.I'm also pretty sure that Italians have heard more about the Torino tragedy than Munich and if this isn't the case outside of the respective countries it shouldn't be used as a stick to beat "Munichs",as some of your less cerebral followers refer to United fans,with.

Edit:I should of said Torino had a greater tragedy as more people died.

 

[BlueMo']

They're just like the scousers whom they purport to hate.

 

[mcmanus]

Does this mean the Ticket Tout will be on every fucking football show mithering away yet again?

If they hadn't treated the survivors like shit and then having sponsors for the anniversaries it wouldn't seem like professional mourning after the event.

RIP.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Does today mark the first day of a new year of mourning?

 

[plattlaneregular]

They're just like the scousers whom they purport to hate.

That looks more like American servicemen than scousers or Rags???

 

[Jack74]

Can't belive what happened it seems like only yesterday we beat them 2 1 , Dunne Motm

 

[Europe]

The Torino air crash actually killed more people but is never really talked about much and is just remembered by the club, it doesn't get this worldwide attention that Munich does. Munich was a horrible tragedy but make no mistake that United have deliberately used that tragedy to help them become the biggest club in England. Gary James' latest book talks about it a little. All tragedies should be remembered and mourned but none should be exploited.

RIP to them all.

If the Torino air crash doesn't get worldwide attention how come you've heard of it?I've also heard of it so it must have got some attention to reach these shores.I also remember the Zambian national team crash of 1993.You're sentiments are full of bitterness tbh.

He's spot on though. Utd have milked this good and proper. I'll bet you go to any person in any town and ask about the Torino crash and people won't have a clue. I defend the victims of this tragedy as much as anyone but any bitterness comes from united fans like you when they know their blag has been rumbled. Me I'd have played down the event as to not shove it in the face of the victims families, no chance of that with the commercial giant that is Manchester united.

Whenever i paly city vs united on fifa. The commentator says united have earned a lot oglf global sympathy following the munich air disaster. Lol,that tells you a lot

 

[WNRH]

Why is this any different from clapping on ten minutes for Neil Young's 2nd anniversary?

Deaths are becoming a competition nowadays to see how people can mourn the best.

 

[Swales lives]

Why is this any different from clapping on ten minutes for Neil Young's 2nd anniversary?

Deaths are becoming a competition nowadays to see how people can mourn the best.

Clapping for Neil Young's anniversary is a little different from turning an accident into an industry.
When City fans show their respect, no brands will be involved, no familes will be evicted from their home, no promotional publicity will be banded around the world, no interviews will be given by Mancini about what Neil Young meant to him, no old players will appear slurring on Sky Sports waxing lyrical about what a great institution City are... I could go on but I can't be arsed.

I agree with you about mourning being competitive these days. Ever since Diana got splattered in Paris, it's become one of this nations favourite leisure pursuits. Fucking flowers on every lamp post. Can't be doing with it myself.

The rags turn my stomach with their Hollywood grief, it's so transparent. Their fans who have got into football in the past 15 years stood in the ground, wiping a tear from their eye for Sky coverage... get to fuck.