R.I.P to the 23 lost in Munich

[blimp reeny]

I'm in the midlands and I haven't heard a whisper about the Munich air disaster today, only stuff about Stafford hospital.

I remember many people, mostly blues throwing a a dicky fit because the rags 'misplaced' the Munich air disaster for around 30 odd years. This was an argument that was being brought up in every pub argument with rags for years and years, but then the same people flipped out when the rag plc suddenly 're-discovered' the air disaster sitting on a shelf somewhere in the early 90's. So in that respect, you can't really win.

I was born in 75, so my first exposure to this tragedy was when I was 10 and there was a documentary about it on itv, and my Grandad who was a lifelong blue sat there with tears rolling down his face. I never forgot that. This was a Manchester football tradgedy, and this is a Manchester football forum.

This is as good a place as any to pay respects one day a year.

RIP

 

[scotty123]

Dont wana seem disrespectful but its been 55 years.. It seems a bit "hey look at us" now. Fed up of havinf it pushed in my face everywhere i look.

Agreed, minutes silence at Wembley tonight, OTT, LET IT GO, Rags have made their name on it

Dear god...

Im entitled to my opinion like it or not.
I actually worked with Jackie Blanchflowers son in Stalybridge, and he was getting fed up of it, told us some of the things that shit club did to survivors and their families and they make you vomit, obviously not to be repeated on here as Ric would be in the shit

 

[Matty]

I understand Mancunians who were around at the time, those who either had some sort of affiliation with the team, the players or the city in the 1950's, paying their annual respects to those who died in the air disaster. I, however, was born in 1977. Obviously I don't remember anything about the crash, or the players, as I wasn't born, my mum was only 1 in 1958! The thing I struggle to comprehend is people under the age of, say, 50 who make a huge deal about this (50 allows for those with actual memories of the event, as well as those who grew up in it's aftermath). Obviously it was a tragedy, but, in the grand scheme of things, it was a plane crash. There have been numerous plane crashes since 1958. In 1967 there were 72 people killed in a plane that crashed on Stockport and in 1985 there were 53 people killed in a plance crash at Manchester Airport, so this isn't even the most recent crash to affect the people of Greater Manchester.

Paying a moments respect, if you're a Manchester United fan, or someone old enough to remember the event and those involved, is perfectly natural, however I fail to see why this event should have any real impact or importance on those who don't fall into one of those categories. I'm not 100% convinced United fans under the age of 50 have all that much to be interested in either if I'm honest. Yes it involved their club so paying respect is understandable, but they didn't remember the players involved or anything like that. How would I feel if it had been City who had been affected? Similarly. I'd keep quiet and respectful when the subject came up but, ultimately, it's something that happen almost 2 decades before I was born, to people I don't know. I have the same opinion when an ex player or manager dies, I'm respectful but, at the end of the day, I have no recollection at all of Neil Young, or Malcolm Allison, so it clearly doesn't affect me as much as those old enough to remember them. Some day the players I watched as a child will begin to pass away, and I'm sure those deaths will affect me far more than those of yesteryear.

Matty, that is a lovely post.

Except for one glaring error.

I am 50 and I was born in 1962. Four years AFTER the air crash.

If you meant 60, then fair enough, but no 50 year-old will ever remember it.

You'd then fall in the as well as those who grew up in it's aftermath category then. I'm willing to accept that people who were born within a few years of the disaster may have been aware of it growing up and, with it being very fresh in the minds, it is something they feel close to. Someone who is under 50(ish) is unlikely to have this.

 

[bezer57]

Differing opinions, possibly due to the different ages of posters, living locally or in a different area. My personal view is MUFC have milked a tragedy for all it is worth over the years, although i'm sure some will disagree with that comment. The shameful 2008 AIG banner told us everything about this club and their attitude to Feb 6th 1958.
Ferguson is a very clever man (although a twat) and he knows by appearing on Football Focus this Saturday to speak about what happened 55 years ago will continue to generate funds into the cash cow that is MUFC.
He obviously has conveniently forgotten his refusal to speak to the BBC for years. He HAS to speak to the beeb after a match but didn't need to give an interview with them, unless it benefits United.
I'd love to see if redissue's current headline is "659m Grief Junkies pay homage to an event well before most were born"

I wonder if he will tell how the club kicked out the widows and orthens from the club houses and never payed the players that survived who didn't won't to play for the rest of the season ?? .

 

[DTKOAG]

RIP the Busby babes & Frank Swift.
Manchester remembers you

 

[Vienna_70]

Differing opinions, possibly due to the different ages of posters, living locally or in a different area. My personal view is MUFC have milked a tragedy for all it is worth over the years, although i'm sure some will disagree with that comment. The shameful 2008 AIG banner told us everything about this club and their attitude to Feb 6th 1958.
Ferguson is a very clever man (although a twat) and he knows by appearing on Football Focus this Saturday to speak about what happened 55 years ago will continue to generate funds into the cash cow that is MUFC.
He obviously has conveniently forgotten his refusal to speak to the BBC for years. He HAS to speak to the beeb after a match but didn't need to give an interview with them, unless it benefits United.
I'd love to see if redissue's current headline is "659m Grief Junkies pay homage to an event well before most were born"

remember also when for the 50th anniversary we agreed to wear retro shirts with no sponsers on. Then as the teams walked out with a kid by thier side, the Utd kids wearing the kit has sponsers logo on thier kits. Ours didnt. Dont miss a trick do they.
RIP to all that lost thier lives and for special occassions ie 50th anniversary of course that should be remembered but they do seem milk it abit

A bit?

I reckon that's quite possibly the biggest understatement I've ever read on Blue Moon.

The rags have milked the Munich air disaster for all they have been able to for 55 years.

And no doubt will be doing so for the next 55!

 

[mancunial]

I think the biggest problem a lot of blues have with it is because of the utter contempt they have towards our beloved city, it is just a way of saying you want to disrespect city then have it, myself personally I have never sang the song or called a red by that name? I find it belittling of the actual guys who are singing it, but everytime they play we hear anti man city song after song which i find bordering on hatred, so myself personally they should put their own house in order first before criticising, but I do find the singing of the Munich song revolting. City are head and shoulders above united in the department of showing respect as we found out in the semi final at wembley?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

some people jeering during the 2 minutes silence, now the media will make an even bigger deal about a minor plane crash.

 

[scotty123]

Rip my grandad (a united fan but doesnt mind man city as he used to watch city one week united next week around the 50s) told me all about it and it was a horrific plane crash

Matt busby played for man city around 200 odd times but managed man united a lot of people dont realise it

Well i will go to the bottom of our stairs

 

[scotty123]

Differing opinions, possibly due to the different ages of posters, living locally or in a different area. My personal view is MUFC have milked a tragedy for all it is worth over the years, although i'm sure some will disagree with that comment. The shameful 2008 AIG banner told us everything about this club and their attitude to Feb 6th 1958.
Ferguson is a very clever man (although a twat) and he knows by appearing on Football Focus this Saturday to speak about what happened 55 years ago will continue to generate funds into the cash cow that is MUFC.
He obviously has conveniently forgotten his refusal to speak to the BBC for years. He HAS to speak to the beeb after a match but didn't need to give an interview with them, unless it benefits United.
I'd love to see if redissue's current headline is "659m Grief Junkies pay homage to an event well before most were born"

remember also when for the 50th anniversary we agreed to wear retro shirts with no sponsers on. Then as the teams walked out with a kid by thier side, the Utd kids wearing the kit has sponsers logo on thier kits. Ours didnt. Dont miss a trick do they.
RIP to all that lost thier lives and for special occassions ie 50th anniversary of course that should be remembered but they do seem milk it abit

A bit?

I reckon that's quite possibly the biggest understatement I've ever read on Blue Moon.

The rags have milked the Munich air disaster for all they have been able to for 55 years.

And no doubt will be doing so for the next 55!

Surprised its not been turned into a compulsary minutes silence nationwide every Feb 6th, they can stick it for me and i for one dont mind saying it