Pigeonho said:Could it be because it's to do with football? Footballers perished. We all love and watch football, so that's the link I would say. If it was a bus terminal of every day people who died i'm sure that would be remembered in it's own way too. It was footballers though, players of the game we all love, so football itself pays its respects.Matty said:nijinsky's fetlocks said:Manchester City were affected.
Frank Swift was one of the best goalkeepers we ever had.
If folk can't put their hatred of United to one side for a minute to remember their losses,the least they could do is show respect for the death of one of our own.
Absolutely nothing to do with hatred of Manchester United.
Frank Swift played for City, I'm aware of that. However I never saw him play for City, I doubt I'd be able to pick his picture out of a lineup of other players from that era. I'd imagine the list of those people who remember Swift playing is even smaller than those who remember the United team of 1958 playing. I'm of the same opinion on his death as I am on the rest, if you remeber him, or you remember the crash its;ef (or its aftermath) then fair enough, otherwise I'm not sure why this disaster is any different from the numerous other disasters in the last 60+ years.
Granted, but this was unique to those in the fact that players died. Just trying to answer Matty's post and that's all I can think of, that because it was footballer's who died, that's why football in general pays it's respects. If the same thing happened to a club now, there's no reason why the same respects wouldn't be paid to that particular incident 55 years from now. I would hope so at least.TGR said:Pigeonho said:Could it be because it's to do with football? Footballers perished. We all love and watch football, so that's the link I would say. If it was a bus terminal of every day people who died i'm sure that would be remembered in it's own way too. It was footballers though, players of the game we all love, so football itself pays its respects.Matty said:Absolutely nothing to do with hatred of Manchester United.
Frank Swift played for City, I'm aware of that. However I never saw him play for City, I doubt I'd be able to pick his picture out of a lineup of other players from that era. I'd imagine the list of those people who remember Swift playing is even smaller than those who remember the United team of 1958 playing. I'm of the same opinion on his death as I am on the rest, if you remeber him, or you remember the crash its;ef (or its aftermath) then fair enough, otherwise I'm not sure why this disaster is any different from the numerous other disasters in the last 60+ years.
Hillsborough, Bradford, Ibrox, Heysel...
All British football related disasters where people died. Why should one specific disaster be elevated and commemorated above another? We should remember them all and not just one specific disaster in particular.
Matty said:I understand Mancunians who were around at the time, those who either had some sort of affiliation with the team, the players or the city in the 1950's, paying their annual respects to those who died in the air disaster. I, however, was born in 1977. Obviously I don't remember anything about the crash, or the players, as I wasn't born, my mum was only 1 in 1958! The thing I struggle to comprehend is people under the age of, say, 50 who make a huge deal about this (50 allows for those with actual memories of the event, as well as those who grew up in it's aftermath). Obviously it was a tragedy, but, in the grand scheme of things, it was a plane crash. There have been numerous plane crashes since 1958. In 1967 there were 72 people killed in a plane that crashed on Stockport and in 1985 there were 53 people killed in a plance crash at Manchester Airport, so this isn't even the most recent crash to affect the people of Greater Manchester.
Paying a moments respect, if you're a Manchester United fan, or someone old enough to remember the event and those involved, is perfectly natural, however I fail to see why this event should have any real impact or importance on those who don't fall into one of those categories. I'm not 100% convinced United fans under the age of 50 have all that much to be interested in either if I'm honest. Yes it involved their club so paying respect is understandable, but they didn't remember the players involved or anything like that. How would I feel if it had been City who had been affected? Similarly. I'd keep quiet and respectful when the subject came up but, ultimately, it's something that happen almost 2 decades before I was born, to people I don't know. I have the same opinion when an ex player or manager dies, I'm respectful but, at the end of the day, I have no recollection at all of Neil Young, or Malcolm Allison, so it clearly doesn't affect me as much as those old enough to remember them. Some day the players I watched as a child will begin to pass away, and I'm sure those deaths will affect me far more than those of yesteryear.
Pigeonho said:Granted, but this was unique to those in the fact that players died. Just trying to answer Matty's post and that's all I can think of, that because it was footballer's who died, that's why football in general pays it's respects. If the same thing happened to a club now, there's no reason why the same respects wouldn't be paid to that particular incident 55 years from now. I would hope so at least.TGR said:Pigeonho said:Could it be because it's to do with football? Footballers perished. We all love and watch football, so that's the link I would say. If it was a bus terminal of every day people who died i'm sure that would be remembered in it's own way too. It was footballers though, players of the game we all love, so football itself pays its respects.
Hillsborough, Bradford, Ibrox, Heysel...
All British football related disasters where people died. Why should one specific disaster be elevated and commemorated above another? We should remember them all and not just one specific disaster in particular.
LoveCity said:The Torino air crash actually killed more people but is never really talked about much and is just remembered by the club, it doesn't get this worldwide attention that Munich does. Munich was a horrible tragedy but make no mistake that United have deliberately used that tragedy to help them become the biggest club in England. Gary James' latest book talks about it a little. All tragedies should be remembered and mourned but none should be exploited.
RIP to them all.
TGR said:LoveCity said:The Torino air crash actually killed more people but is never really talked about much and is just remembered by the club, it doesn't get this worldwide attention that Munich does. Munich was a horrible tragedy but make no mistake that United have deliberately used that tragedy to help them become the biggest club in England. Gary James' latest book talks about it a little. All tragedies should be remembered and mourned but none should be exploited.
RIP to them all.
And with that post you have hit nail exactly on the head!
The genuine tragedy of the Munich disaster has been turned into a constant and ongoing marketing / promotional campaign for the pursuit of money and wealth.