RAF accused of “artificially inflating” diversity numbers

[Blue Maverick]

Well that isn't what I said, is it? I said I stopped reading at the white male is being treated as an endangered species

Maybe read it now as I’ve changed it, then maybe you’ll educate yourself

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

This country is being run by wankers and people with an agenda of social engineering which IMHO is an enemy to us all.

Not a pop at you mate, but the biggest problem with this story is that it feeds perceptions like this. Publicly funded employers are mandated to reflect the demographics of the society that funds them I suppose. This sounds like a well intended, but ultimately clumsy attempt to deliver a accelerated progress that has gone wrong.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Utter bollox.

You applying to be the next Air Chief Marshall here?

Funnily enough I might

RAF deputy chief suspended after 'flashing neighbours from his garden'

Air Marshal Andrew Turner was accused of causing 'upset' after appearing naked in the paddock of his Oxfordshire home

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The answer is ‘yes’ to questions 1 & 2

The answer is ‘it never did’ to question 3

When it comes to RAF pilots they are overwhelming white. So, the main criteria to become a pilot is to be white. Your ethnicity is the starting point for being a pilot. Your ability is a secondary consideration.

In times of crisis the ethnicity rule will be relaxed, ie ability and willingness becomes more important.

The idea no one cares about ethnicity, race or gender and that ability is the most important criteria is absolute bollocks and always has been.

Utter rubbish, but I suppose the fact that you and people like you think this is the case mean the RAF does have an issue to address - even if it's only public perception

 

[Blue Maverick]

Not a pop at you mate, but the biggest problem with this story is that it feeds perceptions like this. Publicly funded employers are mandated to reflect the demographics of the society that funds them I suppose. This sounds like a well intended, but ultimately clumsy attempt to deliver a accelerated progress that has gone wrong.

Why, because fucking idiots try to push their own agendas on employers, best for the job, if they say, well these people didn’t think you were allowed to do this job etc then I’d suggest they are not that clever in the first place and maybe shouldn’t apply!

 

[FantasyIreland]

Do you know this to be true ? To be a RAF pilot firstly you need to be white ?

If that is true its disgusting it should be 100% your ability.

Is it fuck true.

The truth is its predominantly white males that apply,meet the elite criteria,and are successful at the entrance tests.

If some had their own way though,those standards would be dropped or a leg up would be provided.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Is it fuck true.

The truth is its predominantly white males that apply,meet the elite criteria,and are successful at the entrance tests.

If some had their own way though,those standards would be dropped or a leg up would be provided.

Many of these employers have lowered standards and that has now created huge problems and it’s left to those inside to manage and cover for them.

 

[FantasyIreland]

And what 'agenda' would that be?

To get minorities in positions of privilege/power despite their ability meeting the requirements.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Why, because fucking idiots try to push their own agendas on employers, best for the job, if they say, well these people didn’t think you were allowed to do this job etc then I’d suggest they are not that clever in the first place and maybe shouldn’t apply!

It can be a fine line between positive action and positive discrimination, the later of which is illegal no matter how well intended. I agree in this instance that line seems to have been crossed. Maybe it is just Wigstons enthusiasm for a cause that has driven this or maybe he /the RAF are under pressure from above /elsewhere?

 

[BobKowalski]

Do you know this to be true ? To be a RAF pilot firstly you need to be white ?

If that is true its disgusting it should be 100% your ability.

No. Being white just increases your chances of getting through the door and/or being selected. Institutions automatically default to preferences, be it cultural, racial or gender. This automatic default means that they do not attract or welcome the best candidates based on ability, but on a cultural, racial or gender basis.

The idea that our institutions chose based solely on ability is bollocks, and the idea that trying to widen the pool of talent to choose from is somehow ‘unfair’ is perverse.