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Based on not very much at all, I reckon we will get him for 40 up front and there shouldn't be a need for add ons. No way do they want him at their club next season, txiki will know that and how it affects liverpool's hand. People saying just give them 50 bugs me as much as the walk away stuff bugs you because we won't need to give them 50.

Yeah, based on the same gut feel as you i'd say you're about right. The bit that never gets reported is payment terms, and (say) £35m up front to a cash strapped club like Liverpool is worth more than £40m over 4 years. Who knows whether we haven't kept the "upfront" bit in our back pocket for the final offer, in the full knowledge that this is how things would progress. I guess what I'm trying to say is that what's coming out in the press is not the full picture.

Having said that, I totally agree that the club should be trying to get the best deal they can and of course they will. I have real faith that is exactly what is playing out before our eyes. I think the days of Garry Cook getting in daft bidding wars for players who haven't decided where to go are long gone.
 
Based on not very much at all, I reckon we will get him for 40 up front and there shouldn't be a need for add ons. No way do they want him at their club next season, txiki will know that and how it affects liverpool's hand. People saying just give them 50 bugs me as much as the walk away stuff bugs you because we won't need to give them 50.
I think in ideally we would want the signing to be done soon. As soon as you get one done others should follow. The longer it gets drawn out the more we'll hear the dross media aka Liverpool supporting darlings talking about it. Personally for the sake of £50 mill let's get him signed and move onto the next one. I understand we may want to take a firm stance and take it or leave etc but regardless of all of that. If we decide not to buy I really think it is an opportunity missed for us.
 
Sterling isn't staying at pool for certain.. Pool need the cash... Pay it upfront and concentrate on pogba
 
Stick with a maximum of £40m, City. They may be playing up to the gallery in knocking us back, but the Yanks who run the club are here to make money and not to get too involved in partisan rivalries between two cultures who they know little of, let alone understand. The fact is that City have made a high offer for someone who has yet to reach his perceived valuation, and with no other serious contender for him and with the threat of that £40m going elsewhere instead of on an asset who their fans have turned on and who they claim "has a lot to learn", then that £40m is going to turn into a raging storm in their boardroom. If they lose out, the Fenway group are going to be all of a panic and there will be little left to replace the departed Stevie Me, and that will make their supporters even more bitter than they are right now.
 
I agree that we will probably get him for less than the supposed £50 million asking price, or rather not the £50 million up front. People need to consider that the first offer was as lowball as it gets and no way were we ever going to get a deal done for £25m + £5m. That was our opening gambit with a view to us being prepared to go a lot higher IMO. I'm sure both clubs are working towards getting a deal done and while I can't blame Liverpool for wanting £50 million, I don't think they're daft enough to dig their heels in too much about that as all the signs are that Sterling made his mind up a long time ago that he doesn't want to play for them anymore. I think a deal will probably get done for £40 million plus add-ons. What those add-ons will be is anyone's guess - they could even amount to another £10 million which would mean Liverpool could spin it as a £50 million fee and then everyone will be happy.
 
Stick with a maximum of £40m, City. They may be playing up to the gallery in knocking us back, but the Yanks who run the club are here to make money and not to get too involved in partisan rivalries between two cultures who they know little of, let alone understand. The fact is that City have made a high offer for someone who has yet to reach his perceived valuation, and with no other serious contender for him and with the threat of that £40m going elsewhere instead of on an asset who their fans have turned on and who they claim "has a lot to learn", then that £40m is going to turn into a raging storm in their boardroom. If they lose out, the Fenway group are going to be all of a panic and there will be little left to replace the departed Stevie Me, and that will make their supporters even more bitter than they are right now.

The best decision that Liverpool have made since their current owners took over was turning down Arsenal's bid for Suarez, digging their heels in and making him stay against his wishes. They're bound to be heavily influenced by how that turned out.
 
Yeah, based on the same gut feel as you i'd say you're about right. The bit that never gets reported is payment terms, and (say) £35m up front to a cash strapped club like Liverpool is worth more than £40m over 4 years. Who knows whether we haven't kept the "upfront" bit in our back pocket for the final offer, in the full knowledge that this is how things would progress. I guess what I'm trying to say is that what's coming out in the press is not the full picture.

Having said that, I totally agree that the club should be trying to get the best deal they can and of course they will. I have real faith that is exactly what is playing out before our eyes. I think the days of Garry Cook getting in daft bidding wars for players who haven't decided where to go are long gone.

Why is upfront better for Liverpool? If they need cash for the stadium expansion, then yes, but if it's for players, it makes no difference, as they won't pay up front.

It could even be bad for them depending on how fees in are accounted for under FFP rules. It gives them a bonus for this year, but a hole in future years, which may or may not be a good thing for them.
 
Some sense from Barney Ronay in the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...ng-manchester-city-liverpool#comment-54094363

Raheem, mate. I’ve been there. I’ve walked that road. I too have stared into the hippy crack abyss. The side-effects, let me tell you, have been pretty severe. Eight years down the line I’m still constantly tired. I no longer socialise normally, instead spending most of my free evenings staring at Foyle’s War with a packet of Doritos Roulette and a bottle of Taste the Difference Riesling. Quite often I hear voices. Annoying, shrill, demanding voices.

Admittedly there is a fair chance the source of these side-effects is having children rather than the dilute nitrous oxide the NHS offers to women having babies – and by extension to any opportunistic co-parent willing to go the extra yard and really share the birth experience while the nurse is out of the room. And, to be fair, Raheem has probably got this one right in the end. Gas and air, as doctors insist on calling this dangerous drug routinely handed out to women in labour and people having fillings, probably is best consumed on a yacht surrounded by laughing beautiful people in designer swimwear.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, let’s all just relax. Deep breaths. Push a little harder. Together we can get past the perineum-shredding idiocy of pretending to be upset about the sight of young men having fun, legally, while on holiday. And focus instead on the far more interesting business of a British record transfer that increasingly looks as though it may actually happen.

From the outside there is an air of final divvyings-up about the current negotiations between Liverpool and Manchester City over Sterling’s future, a sense that what is being ironed out is the manner of his departure not the fact. With this in mind it has probably been a little overlooked in the general noises off but this would be a genuinely fascinating, not to mention good and timely move for both parties.

Most obviously it’s good for City, who need a general flushing out, not only of the team and the project but the air inside the dressing room. Yaya Touré has been the defining player of New City 1.0, with his bolt-on champion’s swagger. In Sterling City will get more of a grower, a star presence and 20-year-old first-team regular (which he will be: Jesús Navas played 47 times last season). More immediately he offers a note of textural variation to that well-seasoned attack, a little speed and raw aggression to complement David Silva’s frictionless craft and Sergio Agüero’s cutting edge.

Even the price tag is probably fair enough if we accept the skewing of the market. Sterling is expensive because he’s English. But he’s also expensive because he’s good. Although, it is here, in the extent of Sterling’s ability, the sense of uncertainty over what he may still become, that the real interest lies.

There has been a sourness to some of the how-good-is-he-really stuff in the past few weeks, driven perhaps by the lurking shadow of what we might call the Sterling Paradox. Here is a player with all the trappings: the style, the outline and the moves of a really high-class footballer. But who is still, in terms of impact, and indeed by any sensible measure, still simply circling around the idea of actually being a high-class footballer. In a sense Sterling’s performance in Manaus for England against Italy a year ago was a definitive little sketch of where he is right now. For an hour he was brilliant. And yet somehow he didn’t really do anything. Despite looking the boldest, bravest and most technically refined young footballer on the pitch, Sterling still had less of an effect on the actual result than Mario Balotelli.

Increasingly this sense of almost-but-not-quite has been Sterling’s chief quality, a flickering promise of future excellence, a high-class rustling away at the edge of things.

Sterling has so many attributes, from his control and manipulation of the ball, to his physical robustness (defenders can often be seen bouncing off his prodigious rump), to the mental strength to shine at the sharp end of a title race. Not to mention that beautifully waspish way of moving, neck straight, legs pumping, looking always slightly flustered, like a friendly bath‑time rubber duck that has grown legs, learned to run around and integrated itself successfully into human society but still feels terribly worried its cover may be blown at any moment.

It is what Sterling lacks right now that is most interesting, raising as it does the question of exactly what a top-class attacking footballer needs to do these days. For so long English football has obsessed over basic technique and retention of the ball but in more recent times the key quality in elite attacking play seems to be something further, a kind of applied intelligence, the ability to interpret and manage the game around you.

Modern football is essentially a kind of suffocation, a battle for space. What is required is not only precision but an early-warning sense of where the currents will move, where weakness will show itself. It is a quality probably best embodied by someone such as Andrés Iniesta, who simply drifts about in his own portable pocket of space, always two carefully calibrated steps ahead, like a man playing football against a team composed entirely of slow-moving cinematic zombies of the 1970s.

By contrast Sterling often still seems to be all brittle, high-tension endeavour, operating right at the peak of his speed and intensity, never quite ahead of the game. With this in mind a move to City may be just what he needs to open that footballing third eye a little further. Sterling’s best days at Liverpool came alongside Luis Suárez, whose special superpower, it turns out, is to flood the front end of any team with his own relentless creative intelligence. Just as Sterling bloomed next to Suárez, he would surely do so alongside Silva and Agüero, absorbing by osmosis, filling in the gaps in his range, adding the missing gears.

It may be a difficult birth. But what happens next, the reimagining of Raheem, will be fascinating for reasons that have little to do with Uppity Young Men Who Should Know Better, or the perils of medical sedatives, and everything to do with exploring the outer reaches of a very obvious talent.
 
By and large their supporters (and believe me where I live now I'm surrounded by the fuckers) seem to be getting much more worried that they will push it too far and lose the deal than whether they get the desired 50m or not.
 
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