Ref Watch

[spiny]

You are correct. The PL funds PGMOL. I have always wondered why a club like ours which is a member of the PL governance structure does not raise the question of refereeing standards. I would imagine it would get some support from the clubs that are normally on the receiving end of it.

Basically we and others do not wish to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

It is a longer term objective.

 

[eastmanc]

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I think Taylor and Oliver are possibly close to the required level. Certainly the only two who would survive the cull with my guillotine.

really they are both terrible,in my humble opinion.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I think Taylor and Oliver are possibly close to the required level. Certainly the only two who would survive the cull with my guillotine.

I believe there are questionmarks against both names regarding their integrity and impartiality.

We have suffered blatantly wrong decisions from both of them in the past and believe both would accord with " instructions " should the call come .

There are huge doubts about the integrity of all the PiGMOL crew, hierarchy and minnions alike , based upon incidents which I have witnessed. Very few deserve the benefit of the doubt, and a number of them should be facing criminal charges.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I’ve seen Taylor ref a Champions League match and I thought he was excellent.

Which makes me all the more suspicious when he turns in such abject performances when he gets our games.

I think we always go OTT about Taylor because of his (alleged) allegiance,but i don't think he has ever properly lived up to that billing......he is usually far better than most.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I think Taylor and Oliver are possibly close to the required level. Certainly the only two who would survive the cull with my guillotine.

Guillotine?? Nah,far too fucking quick.

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

I have just made a complaint to the FSA concerning the Atwell/ Moss performances.

Just sent one too. That game needs investigating.

 

[Bandofblues]

Not showing replays on screens in the ground shows contempt for match going supporters who are less informed than anyone watching on tv.

Referees and officials cannot always see or make the correct decisions. VAR was meant to assist In critical or contentious situations or where there has been a clear mistake. In Rugby refs are miked and call out their decision and call for on screen evidence to prove or disprove it.

In football it is all smoke and mirrors. Clear and obvious errors are still made. Inconsistensies in applying the laws of the game continue. Worse is that changes to the laws and interpretations are being made on the hoof.

Liverpool and United have probably been the main beneficiaries of VAR. They are two of the richest clubs with two of the biggest capacity grounds in the Premier League. The question should be why these two football clubs are the exception by not having big screens in their grounds that can show replays when PGMOL and their referees only make token use of pitchside monitors?

I don't disagree with what you are saying. Replays should be visible, fans in the ground should have a means to see what's going on.

But even with the two big screens in the Etihad, we the match going fans, still get to see jack in terms of decent VAR replays or explanations of what's going on. It's still 2 mins of watching the ref point to his ear then make a square with his hands, followed by 2 seconds of freeze frame.

Might as well bin VAR replays unless they are actually going to show decent replays of the action.

The only real replays you get to see are the perfectly good (read non-contentious) goals and I couldn't give a toss that those other two sets of fans don't get that second chance to watch a goal.

 

[Chris in London]

I think we always go OTT about Taylor because of his (alleged) allegiance,but i don't think he has ever properly lived up to that billing......he is usually far better than most.

I think he has undoubtedly screwed us over in some very big games. The game against Chelsea where he should have sent Luis off is one example. But as I say, I have seen him referee games very well.

Just rarely ones featuring us.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I think he has undoubtedly screwed us over in some very big games. The game against Chelsea where he should have sent Luis off is one example. But as I say, I have seen him referee games very well.

Just rarely ones featuring us.

He is definitely one of the better ones but given the choice it’s not difficult.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I believe there are questionmarks against both names regarding their integrity and impartiality.

We have suffered blatantly wrong decisions from both of them in the past and believe both would accord with " instructions " should the call come .

I reckon all of the PL officials oblige when they receive the call, it’s a prerequisite for getting to the top echelon (much like in Italy and elsewhere).

Unless there is a very well publicised, irrefutably documented, especially tawdry expose of match-manipulation and/or fixing amongst the PL referees, we will likely see no change in the near future. Even then it may lead to no real substantive, systematic change, beyond throwing those implicated under the bus as “bad apples” working “outside the confidence of leadership” that have been “removed to preserve the integrity of the league”, only to be replaced with equally (or even more) compliant officials.

The way VAR has been and continues to be employed to justify dubious decisions and cover officials’ “mistakes” without any real sustained scrutiny or functional accountability (either for VAR as a system or individual officials), often seemingly in lockstep with various media outlets, is an indication of this.

Too many different entities sucking from
the udders of the golden cow, fearful of where they’ll get their gilded milk if they expose it to be disease ridden.