Ref Watch

It's frustrating because Milner really deserved 3 yellow cards for 3 independently bad challenges. Each of those 3 tackles warranted a yellow by itself, not as a matter of accumulated small fouls. He should have been off and then some.

There's a lot of goalpost moving in the arguments about the refereeing v. Liverpool, where Fern and "tactical fouling" come up, but it's really not the same thing. Tierney wanted to finish a cracking match for the neutrals with 22 men on the pitch, even though by the rules Milner deserved to be off and then some.

It defeats the point of having a system with yellow cards if refs are overwhelmingly interested in finishing with full rosters for the sake of the spectacle such that they won't finish a "gift-wrapped" sending off late on in the second half. If Tierney won't send Milner there, he would never send off anyone. What's the point?
 
blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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That, does not, excuse their arrogance.
 
blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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So how do you explain a former referee admitting he gave the rags a corner rather than the correct decision, a goal kick. No one is saying ALL refs are corrupt, most are saying Pigmol is.
It does not need to be brown envelopes the moment you do not act honestly you are corrupt, therefore favouring one team over another is corruption.
 
First game we lost in our title winning season under Mancini. Chelsea away.
Belotelli puts us 1 up after about a minute, soon after David Silva is brought down in the box, nailed on pen.
Not to Clattenburg it wasn't. Pundits couldn't believe it.
Then for good measure he sends Clichy off and we get beat 2-1.

A total prick of a man
 
Lancsblue60 said:
Does anyone else feel we had a number of decisions go against us/ did not get awarded yesterday and is this a sign of what's to come this season? Personally I was amazed that Milner did not see a red, looking in slow motion from another angle Bernardo landed on his head! this could have ended up with him breaking his neck! and also we didn't even get a free kick when Foden was shoved in the box.
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Lancsblue60 said:
Does anyone else feel we had a number of decisions go against us/ did not get awarded yesterday and is this a sign of what's to come this season? Personally I was amazed that Milner did not see a red, looking in slow motion from another angle Bernardo landed on his head! this could have ended up with him breaking his neck! and also we didn't even get a free kick when Foden was shoved in the box.
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To be honest it was only really those two Milner decisions and maybe the Cancelo booking that the ref got wrong, he was actually pretty decent outside those three decisions.

Still not good enough though. Really let himself down, especially with the second yellow.
 
It’s time for a proper professional referees body, not just the highly paid amateurish shysters we have now masquerading as professionals.

The current system clearly isn’t driving up the quality of refereeing. We have premier league games repeatedly affected by poor decisions. There’s no sense of a professional body that is working effectively to improve standards. It’s the same faces pretending everything they’ve done is perfect every week.

Hire referees from across Europe, or even from around the world. Have an independent panel to review their decisions and put measures in place to improve performances. Explain if there are mistakes. If any are consistently crap then don’t renew their contract. Have a referee of the season award. Bring back the respect for referees at the top level.

This is arguably the biggest football competition in the world and produces a fantastic quality of football, but watch almost any other high-level competition and you see a better standard of referees.
 
Henri Regnault said:
It's frustrating because Milner really deserved 3 yellow cards for 3 independently bad challenges. Each of those 3 tackles warranted a yellow by itself, not as a matter of accumulated small fouls. He should have been off and then some.

There's a lot of goalpost moving in the arguments about the refereeing v. Liverpool, where Fern and "tactical fouling" come up, but it's really not the same thing. Tierney wanted to finish a cracking match for the neutrals with 22 men on the pitch, even though by the rules Milner deserved to be off and then some.

It defeats the point of having a system with yellow cards if refs are overwhelmingly interested in finishing with full rosters for the sake of the spectacle such that they won't finish a "gift-wrapped" sending off late on in the second half. If Tierney won't send Milner there, he would never send off anyone. What's the point?
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If Cancelo had made the challenges milner did, they’d of had a pen and we’d have been a man down. There’d be no thought about keeping it 11 v 11
 
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