Ref Watch

Chris B said:
This is arguably the biggest football competition in the world and produces a fantastic quality of football, but watch almost any other high-level competition and you see a better standard of referees.
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PL refs make ~40k pounds, US football referees (and there are a ton of them per match) make 205k dollars. Think if we paid more for referees we would see a better talent pipeline for accuracy and accountability.

I don't necessarily think exposing referees to criticism by the baying mob is the best solution. Judges are typically given lifetime tenure for a reason. Some amount of insulation from "politics" is better for the smaller teams.

Adding onto this, if we think the big old boys in red are getting favorable treatment now, imagine a world where referees are under direct and formal review by any reviewing body, do we think that this would lead to less favoritism or more for the red teams? I think I have to go with "more" on this one...
 
Blue Mist said:
Hang on Kaz

@oakiecokie I am pretty sure it didn't. I think the two posters are getting mixed up. A football agent claimed he gave ferguson a gold watch to fix a match. The claim was made in an American Court case (bribery)
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He showed it to my mate when he was back up in the north east. Although I wasn't there myself, my mate was adamant and is not the kind of person to make stuff up.
 
It is not the major decisions that they get 'wrong' that bugs me the most but the incessant times they blow against us for the minor infringements and don't for the opposition. Indeed some aren't infringements at all. Every single game I watch I believe we are reffed differently. I know people think it is blue bias but I have friends who support other clubs, indeed some who don't support any club, who have agreed.
 
What should be questioned is why they are getting so many important decisions wrong when they all have the ability now to go to the pitch side monitor and check anything they are not sure about. This is what should be questioned by the PL?! Strangely they are happy with the service they are getting from PGMOL
 
Fred_Quimby said:
It is not the major decisions that they get 'wrong' that bugs me the most but the incessant times they blow against us for the minor infringements and don't for the opposition. Indeed some aren't infringements at all. Every single game I watch I believe we are reffed differently. I know people think it is blue bias but I have friends who support other clubs, indeed some who don't support any club, who have agreed.
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I’m not into horse racing but it seems there is a City ‘handicap’ applied by the refs to even the teams, whether deliberately or not. Some are worse than others.
 
blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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Two years ago my brother retired from the Police after 30 years and if anyone says that the Police service is institutionally racist he totally disagrees, but report after report tells us that it is

Perhaps the reffing of utd and Liverpool isn't corrupt in that brown envelopes of cash aren't involved but they are reffed differently, there is certainly a lower bar for penalties in their favour and a higher one set for red cards
And when the head of the PL tells us that a strong Manchester United is good for the Premier league product, why wouldn't refs constantly give them the benefit of the doubt
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
What should be questioned is why they are getting so many important decisions wrong when they all have the ability now to go to the pitch side monitor and check anything they are not sure about. This is what should be questioned by the PL?! Strangely they are happy with the service they are getting from PGMOL
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For the life of me I can't think what they would be happy about! Results in games that don't reflect what happened during the ninety minutes? Surely they'd want a game where their refereeing was 'watertight'! The opportunity to hide an atrocious decision behind a couple of coloured cards? The state of being totally immune from any sanction for making a complete bollocks of an incident (apart from a couple of games in the Championship)! I think the fact that Attwell continues to referee at the highest level after the 'goal' he awarded when the ball went a yard wide just about sums up the level we are at!
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Any decision that Clattenburg gave was suspect. That guy has a VERY shady history.
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The Crystal Palace vs rags Cup final is a perfect example
Clattenburg photographed laughing and joking with Ferguson directly before kick off and two hugely controversial decisions going against Palace in the game
 
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