Ref Watch

Paladin said:
For me, this is one of the ways they subtly influence the outcome of games.

Tierney immediately and confidently signaled no penalty for that foul on Sterling. This means he definitely saw the incident and didn't see the push (which was clear as day). If we hadn't scored, it would have been reviewed by VAR, and you would like to think the penalty would have been given.

However, those incidents can be deemed close, and often not overturned because they weren't a clear and obvious error.

Consider a similar incident where the referee immediately and confidently points to the penalty spot. Even if it is a bit of a dubious decision, it won't be overturned because again, it's not a clear and obvious error.

We get loads of the former decisions, like today. Liverpool and United get lots of the second kind of decision. We might get a small number of overturns and a few penalties awarded. Liverpool and United might have a few penalty awards overturned, but will keep the majority of their penalties.

They do a similar thing with yellow cards. A bad foul by players of certain clubs are immediately met with a yellow card, when it should be red. It is unlikely to be overturned, because the yellow card is a subjective opinion. It also cannot be reviewed retrospectively.
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clear & obvious.
 
To be fair to Sky, for once only, ratface did say quite a few times that the Dallas injury was completely Tierney's fault because of poor refereeing.
 
hertsblue said:
Don’t think he was corrupt today but he was very weak. How we ended up with 2 cards in 3 fouls and them 1 in 13, not to mention about 15 more he ignored, i think he was scared/influenced by the crowd and if so, has no business officiating.
That ignored penalty at the end with Dipper England on Var summed it up.

Pep should call him out as he let them get away with murder today and lost his control. Dallas not getting sent off and us getting 2 cards shows the officiating we are up against. Dippers would have had every free kick he ignored for us today and them about 5 cards.
In February he booked 9, 6 Leeds and 3 Rags in a game, today he let them kick us with impunity, zero consistency
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At what point does it change from officials being incompetent/shit to it being part of the system, it happens so often?
 
Daz-Simp said:
I was browsing the post match stats and after reading this had a look. Leeds 42 tackles, 13 fouls, 2 yellows. City 12 tackles, 3 fouls , 2 yellows. If that's not game management I don't know what is.
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Just to correct you. They received one booking, Firpo. (I think the manager may gave been booked)
 
mattcity5 said:
You could probably add on about 10 clear fouls that Leeds got away with to that too!
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The foul stats are half the story. What isn't included are the fouls the refs just wave away. Keira gave away a pen yesterday at the women's game. Soon as the 'tackle' went in, despite howls of "Don't foul her!' from the stand, the ref pointed to the spot. Pretty much identical to the foul on Sterling. Fouls inside the area, outside the area, yellow cards for foul play are awarded on an entirely different basis to us as opposed to the teams we are playing and to our 'rivals'. It's as clear as night and day!

Mind you, it was an identical foul to the one on Gordon in the Murkyside derby that was totally ignored. Perhaps a barge in the back has slid off the radar at this end of the season.

I've just watched the extended highlights and I don't know whether to label Tierney's judgement of the pen on Sterling as a tackle as 'scandalous' or 'sinister'!
 
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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
The foul stats are half the story. What isn't included are the fouls the refs just wave away. Keira gave away a pen yesterday at the women's game. Soon as the 'tackle' went in, despite howls of "Don't foul her!' from the stand, the ref pointed to the spot. Pretty much identical to the foul on Sterling. Fouls inside the area, outside the area, yellow cards for foul play are awarded on an entirely different basis to us as opposed to the teams we are playing and to our 'rivals'. It's as clear as night and day!

Mind you, it was an identical foul to the one on Gordon in the Murkyside derby that was totally ignored. Perhaps a barge in the back has slid off the radar at this end of the season.

I've just watched the extended highlights and I don't know whether to label Tierney's judgement of the pen on Sterling as a tackle as 'scandalous' or 'sinister'!
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Like many have said, if that's rags or dippers its a nailed on penalty. Its like Milners tackle yesterday, not a foul for me but you can guarantee it would be if thats us taking the lead
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
The foul stats are half the story. What isn't included are the fouls the refs just wave away. Keira gave away a pen yesterday at the women's game. Soon as the 'tackle' went in, despite howls of "Don't foul her!' from the stand, the ref pointed to the spot. Pretty much identical to the foul on Sterling. Fouls inside the area, outside the area, yellow cards for foul play are awarded on an entirely different basis to us as opposed to the teams we are playing and to our 'rivals'. It's as clear as night and day!

Mind you, it was an identical foul to the one on Gordon in the Murkyside derby that was totally ignored. Perhaps a barge in the back has slid off the radar at this end of the season.

I've just watched the extended highlights and I don't know whether to label Tierney's judgement of the pen on Sterling as a tackle as 'scandalous' or 'sinister'!
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Scandalous and sinister.
 
cheekybids said:
I know my opinion ;)

I think everything that was involved in Italy happens here.

Ban players ahead of other games, manage outcomes with chosen Refs, went to play on, went to stop play, when to review VAR, how to review VAR.
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It's a more complex version of Calcioopoli at play here.

I wasn't surprised at some results yesterday protecting "spoiler" clubs.
 
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