Ref Watch

The ref was garbage.

He didn't concede 2 soft goals at the end of the game. We put ourselves in a position to try and blame that. We've just played Atleti, we KNEW what we were in for and for the most part we handled it.
 
The early Casemiro challenge on de Bruyne was an obvious card.

The one on Foden is more complicated. The ref played advantage, and the laws currently are that a foul that doesn't stop an attack does not get carded.
If that challenge would get a card for a different reason (e.g. recklessness), it would get a card for that. It is certainly possible to make the argument that the collar pull prevented Foden backing up the attack and thus should have been carded, but it is opinion.

As Orsato bizarrely avoided backing Casemiro at all, the argument that he should have multiple cards is hypothetical and meaningless. No-one knows what he'd have done if the first one had been booked (and Laporte/Modric would also have been card-free).

That BT were incredulous as Sterling's booking and Foden's 'foul' on the bloke charging up behind him said everything about the decisions.

The Walker/Vinicius collisions looked like one shoulder-shoulder, and one where Walker was looking at the ball. As a foul would likely involve a red card, I don't think there was enough certainty to do anything. I thought both looked okay.

The only thing City seemed to get away with was the looped ball that came down on Cancelo's arm.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Sad to say but there's more people involved than just him should be hanging their heads in shame from this incident.
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I remember when the question was being asked a few seasons ago, how to stop City. Injuries were the suggestion. After that it was open season on leg breaking tackles on City players. I think Pep Guardiola asked for protection for players and it was scoffed at. That's the season we played Wigan and a bad tackle, a sending off tackle on a City player wasn't even booked, if I remember correctly? Certainly no sending off. I think Fabian Delph was sent off in the same game for a much less severe tackle. Yet some still believe there's no agenda.
 
bluemanchester said:
Reading the posts about who was to blame for the injury, player or ref. I would just like to say I looked at the face of Dallas as he was about to make an earlier tackle, it was a face of anger and fury and I had no doubt in my mind that this was a player heading out of control and it was no surprise to me when someone got injured by him, luckily for Grealish it was Dallas himself who got injured. Also,if he had not injured himself the ref was not going to give, and didn't give, him either a yellow or red card and would have carried on running wild untill someone did receive an injury by him. His behaviour and the tolerence shown by the referee was a perfect game management ploy plotted by their manager knowing they would have a weak referee who would turn a blind eye to thuggish behaviour on City's players as this referee has previous for this whilst refereeing City games.
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There seems to be a common theme where referees and City are concerned. The Brighton game was similar, last season? LiVARpool and Athletico Madrid had free license too to make rash tackles on City players.
 
Bluearmy said:
Yep. Like that season we had 10+ leg breakers against us, of which not one saw a red (few werent even given as fouls), then delph over stretched for one (Wigan away i think in the Cup), straight red!!
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I remember that, yet some still think there is no agenda and decisions even out.
 
Big Chap said:
There is no way that how we are refereed in this competition (and maybe the PL) is equitable. Tonight was actually pretty tame in comparison to the antics of Sr Lahoz in the past. Why is that……?? Bent bastards.
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Some people would have us believe though that all teams get reffed equally. The media highlights the odd decision in City's favour as a distraction from the game changing decisions some teams get in their favour almost every game.
 
Madrid were favoured last night by the ref cos they were playing us.
They will be punished for everything in the final vs the darlings, just wait and see.
It's that bent you can predict referee performances before a ball as been kicked
 
Witney Blue said:
Just watched it back - one singular stoppage in the second half of extra time was 2.50. Add on other stoppages and substitutions and you’re probably looking at 4-5 minutes but no only 3 but the ref blows on 2.50. It’s not right. We probably wouldn’t have scored anyhow but give us a chance!!! (Actually we might have if Casemeiro had received one or two yellows!)
It really is bent - still UEFA have got their dream final
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Add that to the offside goal LiVARpool got against Villareal and the refusal to give Villareal a penalty in the following game and maybe even a dismissal for the goalkeeper. Same shit, different game.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
It's the subtle disparities in decision making that gets to the players. Kev and Phil well off the boil because of the way the game was being 'managed'. Real players were emboldened, and that gave them the edge.

It's something that's often difficult to pick up on when you get wrapped up in the action, but if you take a step back and just observe the actions of the officials you'll see subtle differences that make huge differences to the outcome of games.

Anyone remember the moment in the 1st half where the referee fist bumped Modric? Our players would have picked up on that 100% and I'm sure it must have got to them big time because that would NEVER happen if the game is being moderated fairly.
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It was the same against Chelsea in the final. It was made clear early on which way that game was going to go just with the decisions. No sending off for foul on Kevin De Bruyne and a penalty immediately waved away. That would probably have seen City already win the Champions League.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
The early Casemiro challenge on de Bruyne was an obvious card.

The one on Foden is more complicated. The ref played advantage, and the laws currently are that a foul that doesn't stop an attack does not get carded.
If that challenge would get a card for a different reason (e.g. recklessness), it would get a card for that. It is certainly possible to make the argument that the collar pull prevented Foden backing up the attack and thus should have been carded, but it is opinion.

As Orsato bizarrely avoided backing Casemiro at all, the argument that he should have multiple cards is hypothetical and meaningless. No-one knows what he'd have done if the first one had been booked (and Laporte/Modric would also have been card-free).

That BT were incredulous as Sterling's booking and Foden's 'foul' on the bloke charging up behind him said everything about the decisions.

The Walker/Vinicius collisions looked like one shoulder-shoulder, and one where Walker was looking at the ball. As a foul would likely involve a red card, I don't think there was enough certainty to do anything. I thought both looked okay.

The only thing City seemed to get away with was the looped ball that came down on Cancelo's arm.
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Didn't know that. What a bullshit rule!
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Think he's wrong, if I've read the post correctly, after an advantage he can't give a red but can still give a yellow.
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That's my understanding of the rule.

A red card offence should result in an immediate stop in proceedings. A yellow can be issued at a convenient moment after the offence.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Think he's wrong, if I've read the post correctly, after an advantage he can't give a red but can still give a yellow.
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It would be circumstance-driven really - the two options are if the foul was stopping/interefering with an attack, or for other reasons (of more severity, as I read it). It seems to essentially downgrade the card one step. In this case, if the ref decided "attempt to stop an attack, ball possession retained so I'll play advantage", the ref was correct to not book Casemiro that time.
In general refs are advised not to play advantage for a sending off offence.

From the laws:

Advantage
If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/ sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/ sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play, violent conduct or a second cautionable offence unless there is a clear opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player when the ball is next out of play, but if the player plays the ball or challenges/interferes with an opponent, the referee will stop play, send off the player and restart with an indirect free kick, unless the player committed a more serious offence.
 
JPAMCR said:
Just seen Lampard has been charged for his comments about the non-pen against Liverpool.

fucking ridiculous, complains about the scousers, gets charged, complains about us, gets a fucking apology.
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The FA will probably give them an extra point to compensate for the hurty words of the Everton manager
 
BringBackSwales said:
This is what the knicker wetters don’t seem to realise. When playing other top teams like dippers and Madrid the margins are actually very fine and refs make a huge difference, one way or the other. Dippers 45 league games without a pen against is such an obvious cheat, Milner not getting sent off, TAA playing basketball in the area, offside goals not VAR’d, both Madrid teams getting away with murder, it’s simply not 11 v 11. Yes we fucked up today, but we get fucked over more or less every week. And now the irony of another pen not given v dippers and Lampard being done for some incredibly mild comments. Fucking blatant corruption
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Yesterday, some were talking of how Pep Guardiola will never win the Champions League for City and should be replaced if we don't win the Premier League. At one of the hierarchy clubs he would have won the Champions League with City already against Chelsea, maybe earlier. The decisions City don't get would have been given making all the difference. Same with the final this time and the league would already be won. Pep Guardiola has already spoken of hierarchy clubs and how it's so much more satisfying being City manager because City don't get given anything. City supporters should be proud to have Pep Guardiola representing them. City know what is going on and I have no doubt will only get stronger as a result.
 
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