Penalty and Walker sending off earlier this season was overturned after Fat Boy Moss went to the monitor as the forward initiated contact. That obviously didn't apply last night with Fred
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Trevor Morley's Tache
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Of course it didn't. You know the rules.Penalty and Walker sending off earlier this season was overturned after Fat Boy Moss went to the monitor as the forward initiated contact. That obviously didn't apply last night with Fred
Mancini Manus Domini
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Play had already stopped. I meant actually stopping the game mid flow, like last night.Penalty and Walker sending off earlier this season was overturned after Fat Boy Moss went to the monitor as the forward initiated contact. That obviously didn't apply last night with Fred
Great work, cheers.So across the PL, the average number of attempted tackles per foul in the first half is 3.47 and the average number of fouls per card is 7.59. Over a whole game, it's 3.51 tackles per foul and 5.29 fouls per card.
In the first half of games, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.63 and an average fouls per card of 8.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.30 and an average fouls per card of 3.71.
By full-time, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.22, with an average fouls per card of 5.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.63 and an average fouls per card of 4.28.
In the first half, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.48, Liverpool have 3.56 and Chelsea 3.01. City have a fouls per card average of 5.09, Liverpool 10.5 and Chelsea 13.33.
By full-time, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.34, Liverpool have 3.16 and Chelsea 3.36. City have a fouls per card average of 5.82, Liverpool 8.53 and Chelsea 7.84.
United averaged 18 tackles per foul against us in the first half. Against Liverpool, they averaged 2. By full-time they averaged 4.22 tackles per foul against us, with 9 fouls per card. Against Liverpool, it was 1.70 tackles per foul, with 1.43 fouls per card.
By contrast, Liverpool averaged 8 tackles per foul against United in the first half, and 5.67 against us. By full-time, it was 4.10 tackles per foul against us, and 3.88 tackles per foul against United.
What does this really show? Well, our opponents get treated a lot more leniently on average than they do against Liverpool. Other teams in the league are over twice as likely to be carded for a foul against a Liverpool player than us in the first half. The gap narrows in the 2nd half, showing that referees are more lenient to our opponent in the first half of games against us, presumably to keep them in the game, but stricter when these teams play Liverpool, thus preventing them from landing a blow. There are of course fluctuations and highly dubious and anomalous games which require a deeper look, but the averages show a general pattern.
We are also twice as likely, in the first half at least, to be carded for a foul than either Liverpool or Chelsea players, again showing how we can be kept in check. It also shows that our rivals can tactically foul with near impunity, whilst ours are picked up much more readily.
We see in the United games that they were given free reign against us, particularly in the first half, whilst they were punished at every opportunity in the Liverpool game.
Still not had a penalty yet either...
halfcenturyup
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Play had already stopped. I meant actually stopping the game mid flow, like last night.
Aguero got a penalty a few years ago a good three minutes of play later, didn't he? Was it Arsenal again? Memory going .... Not pitchside monitor, straight VAR.
MillionMilesAway
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Aguero got a penalty a few years ago a good three minutes of play later, didn't he? Was it Arsenal again? Memory going .... Not pitchside monitor, straight VAR.
The guidelines that PL VAR were using were different than they are now - now that would go to the monitor, so the ref can himself see it and give a foul if he views it appropriate.
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Which **** is ref tomorrow and which **** is on VAR?
andthesunshineband
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I believe Kevin Friend is the **** in the middle and someone called John Brooks is the **** on VAR assisted by Sian Massey Ellis in case he gets it "wrong"Which **** is ref tomorrow and which **** is on VAR?
BringBackSwales
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ThanksI believe Kevin Friend is the **** in the middle and someone called John Brooks is the **** on VAR assisted by Sian Massey Ellis in case he gets it "wrong"
PannickAtTheDisco
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Refs, including tomorrow, for our last 32 domestic games:
Oliver -5.
Tierney - 4.
Taylor -4.
Friend - 3.
Moss - 3.
Marriner - 3.
Dean - 2.
Attwell - 2.
Atkinson - 2.
Jones - 1.
Bankes -1.
Scott - 1.
Coote - 1.
Oliver, Tierney and Taylor have had 37.5% of our last 32 domestic games. With Friend included, it's 50%. 21 refs have refereed a PL game this season, some are more inexperienced so you might expect they not get our game yet but we've not Pawson, Kavanagh etc. since before last March. The last game Kavanagh had was Wolves at the beginning of March and we've not had Pawson in 2021. In fact, we've not had him since the 1-1 draw at home to Liverpool where they got a very soft pen and then we got one via VAR that we missed but we were also denied another just before Liverpool got one themselves...Bit odd such an established ref has gone over a year without reffing us.
By contrast, the Dippers have had:
Taylor - 5.
Pawson - 4.
Dean - 3.
Tierney - 3.
Marriner - 3.
Oliver - 2.
Kavanagh - 2.
Moss - 2.
Attwell - 2.
Friend - 2.
Coote - 1.
England - 1.
Andy Madley - 1.
Atkinson - 1.
Taylor, Pawson, Dean and Tierney have had 47% of the Dippers games. Again odd that Pawson is good enough for 4 Dippers games, but none of ours. With 62 available games (2 head-to-heads), Taylor (9), Oliver (7), Tierney (7), Marriner (6) and Friend (5) have had 55% of City & Dippers games. Add in Dean (5) and it's 6 refs with 63% of the games. Given the decisions the 2 teams get, and the fact that someone established like Atkinson has 3 games in total, it's clear PGMOL have their preferred refs for the title race.
Maybe you'd say it's seniority, but I just happened to notice we're getting the same refs over and over again and it's not like our smaller games are being spread widely amongst the other refs for experience, the same refs are picking up the majority of our games on rotation and as I showed the other night, we're getting jack shit decisions wise whilst the Dippers are getting far better treatment.
Oliver -5.
Tierney - 4.
Taylor -4.
Friend - 3.
Moss - 3.
Marriner - 3.
Dean - 2.
Attwell - 2.
Atkinson - 2.
Jones - 1.
Bankes -1.
Scott - 1.
Coote - 1.
Oliver, Tierney and Taylor have had 37.5% of our last 32 domestic games. With Friend included, it's 50%. 21 refs have refereed a PL game this season, some are more inexperienced so you might expect they not get our game yet but we've not Pawson, Kavanagh etc. since before last March. The last game Kavanagh had was Wolves at the beginning of March and we've not had Pawson in 2021. In fact, we've not had him since the 1-1 draw at home to Liverpool where they got a very soft pen and then we got one via VAR that we missed but we were also denied another just before Liverpool got one themselves...Bit odd such an established ref has gone over a year without reffing us.
By contrast, the Dippers have had:
Taylor - 5.
Pawson - 4.
Dean - 3.
Tierney - 3.
Marriner - 3.
Oliver - 2.
Kavanagh - 2.
Moss - 2.
Attwell - 2.
Friend - 2.
Coote - 1.
England - 1.
Andy Madley - 1.
Atkinson - 1.
Taylor, Pawson, Dean and Tierney have had 47% of the Dippers games. Again odd that Pawson is good enough for 4 Dippers games, but none of ours. With 62 available games (2 head-to-heads), Taylor (9), Oliver (7), Tierney (7), Marriner (6) and Friend (5) have had 55% of City & Dippers games. Add in Dean (5) and it's 6 refs with 63% of the games. Given the decisions the 2 teams get, and the fact that someone established like Atkinson has 3 games in total, it's clear PGMOL have their preferred refs for the title race.
Maybe you'd say it's seniority, but I just happened to notice we're getting the same refs over and over again and it's not like our smaller games are being spread widely amongst the other refs for experience, the same refs are picking up the majority of our games on rotation and as I showed the other night, we're getting jack shit decisions wise whilst the Dippers are getting far better treatment.