Ref Watch

Double R said:
Just a fair play thing for me. Imagine if a ref allowed someone like Salah to take a quick free kick and score against us while we are lining up our wall, after Mane had 'won' the free kick after tripping over an overgrown blade of grass, I think I would put my foot through the telly.
Ok maybe Im being a bit childish with that scenario. Maybe I have bad memories of Henry constantly trying quick free kicks against us back in the day.
Ultimatly, its just fair play to me to wait until everyones ready.
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I must admit I sort of agree with Lineker here and his comments on MOTD the advantage should be with the attacking side. Not right that sides can commit an offence, which then gives their side the opportunity to regroup, and take the advantage away from the attacking side.

Prime example being when KDB beat the defender and crossed to Aguero, who made an alternative run yesterday. If the defender had brought him down, and we got awarded a free kick, by delaying the free kick, the play would have gone from a 2-2 break, to facing a fully organised defence, regrouped in their favoured positions. The side being penalised is the attacking team, although the offence was carried about by the defensive side.

As for quick free kicks Kinkladze scored a memorable one against Bolton circa 97.
 
franksinatra said:
I must admit I sort of agree with Lineker here and his comments on MOTD the advantage should be with the attacking side. Not right that sides can commit an offence, which then gives their side the opportunity to regroup, and take the advantage away from the attacking side.

Prime example being when KDB beat the defender and crossed to Aguero, who made an alternative run yesterday. If the defender had brought him down, and we got awarded a free kick, by delaying the free kick, the play would have gone from a 2-2 break, to facing a fully organised defence, regrouped in their favoured positions. The side being penalised is the attacking team, although the offence was carried about by the defensive side.

As for quick free kicks Kinkladze scored a memorable one against Bolton circa 97.
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Agree totaly, thought exactly the same in that Debruyne incident yesterday. Players should be able to just get up and carry on. I just feel that once a free kick has been awarded like yesterday, then I would expect fair play from the ref and opponents if it was us defending.

Don't recall that Kniky goal, have to check it out.
Remember Dunne score a late screammer against WBA once, and had it chalked off.
 
Double R said:
The whole quick free kick rule is a bit of a mess. Ultimatly they came to the right decision yesterday, but it was wrong for the ref to say yes when asked if he could take it quickly.

But Debruyne's yellow card for taking a quick free kick a couple of seasons ago was one of the most ludicrous yellows Ive ever seen.
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No card but stopping play because of a quick throw in is the most ridiculous thing l can think of and no surprise a.unique decision was against us
 
Double R said:
Agree totaly, thought exactly the same in that Debruyne incident yesterday. Players should be able to just get up and carry on. I just feel that once a free kick has been awarded like yesterday, then I would expect fair play from the ref and opponents if it was us defending.

Don't recall that Kniky goal, have to check it out.
Remember Dunne score a late screammer against WBA once, and had it chalked off.
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Pretty sure he was fouled, after beating about 3 players, and then got himself up in a flash and curled it into the bottom corner. Typical Kinky really.
 
Double R said:
Agree totaly, thought exactly the same in that Debruyne incident yesterday. Players should be able to just get up and carry on. I just feel that once a free kick has been awarded like yesterday, then I would expect fair play from the ref and opponents if it was us defending.

Don't recall that Kniky goal, have to check it out.
Remember Dunne score a late screammer against WBA once, and had it chalked off.
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Strange decision-making from Mason but that is what pressure does to you at times.
 
Blue Mist said:
Oh you, if that is the best you can come up with it might be time to give it a rest.
A seasoned professional paid many thousands of pounds for his expertise can't handle the pressure of a free kick.
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Ok so what is your theory on why he made the error?

Regardless of what you get paid, making a decision, in a split second, can result in you making a wrong decision, doing something explicable, particularly when pressured by other people. Money is irrelevant, its a human trait.

Obviously on here, nobody has ever done this, but it happens across pretty much every football league. Does not make it right, or not infuriating, but sometimes that is how it is.
 
franksinatra said:
Ok so what is your theory on why he made the error?

Regardless of what you get paid, making a decision, in a split second, can result in you making a wrong decision, doing something explicable, particularly when pressured by other people. Money is irrelevant, its a human trait.

Obviously on here, nobody has ever done this, but it happens across pretty much every football league. Does not make it right, or not infuriating, but sometimes that is how it is.
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My theory is not a popular one . I think he is a shite referee. Makes mistake after mistake and is not fit for purpose. Should be demoted.
 
mccity said:
I've seen this a lot so I'll ask. What was it that she supposedly did to rile everybody up?
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RabidCity said:
how annoying an article is that. All bait and no information. What did she say? What did the trolls say?
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These are the 2 interviews people didn't like, and as far as I can tell the trolls basically just criticised her interviewing, not anything more personal.






There was also a quite rude pre match interview with Owen Farrell but I can't find it.
 
franksinatra said:
Ok so what is your theory on why he made the error?

Regardless of what you get paid, making a decision, in a split second, can result in you making a wrong decision, doing something explicable, particularly when pressured by other people. Money is irrelevant, its a human trait.

Obviously on here, nobody has ever done this, but it happens across pretty much every football league. Does not make it right, or not infuriating, but sometimes that is how it is.
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A player asked him if he could take a free kick, he didn't ask if could perform open heart surgery.
He allowed the attacker to take the kick then disallowed the goal, but importantly, didn't have the courage to to stick to this decision! If he had seen something he should have told the players why he had disallowed it and stuck to the decision.
This idiot then changed his mind and gave the goal and ergh then changed it again.
I mention how much he is paid because it is an important factor. He is meant to be one of the elite and is paid accordingly. He is expected to be able to handle pressure and if he can't, bye bye.
Week in week out this clown messes up.
 
Blue Mist said:
MOTD gave a good explanation. The Brighton player asked if he could take the kick and Mason said yes so blew his whistle. He then realised the keeper wasnt ready so blew again to stop the game. He had to blow before the ball went in the net to do this otherwise the goal stood and that was the reason there was a var check. It was so incompetent not to realise the keeper was not ready as he was lining up his wall, it is beyond belief
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MOTD might have explained it that way but in law that is wrong. The free kick is supposed to be an advantage to the fouled team. If the whistle goes it does not really matter if the keeper is ready or not. Before ko the ref will normally tell the players that if they want to take a quick free kick, then do so, as long as the ref hasn't asked them to wait for the whistle. Dunk has said that Mason told him he blew the 2nd time as there was pushing in the wall. Now under the new rules none of the attackers should be close enough to push anyone in the wall. If they had then surely it would have been a free kick to WBA as the ball is in play from the 1st whistle, but he gave a re take.

The likes of Lee Mason give all refs a bad name.
 
richardtheref said:
MOTD might have explained it that way but in law that is wrong. The free kick is supposed to be an advantage to the fouled team. If the whistle goes it does not really matter if the keeper is ready or not. Before ko the ref will normally tell the players that if they want to take a quick free kick, then do so, as long as the ref hasn't asked them to wait for the whistle. Dunk has said that Mason told him he blew the 2nd time as there was pushing in the wall. Now under the new rules none of the attackers should be close enough to push anyone in the wall. If they had then surely it would have been a free kick to WBA as the ball is in play from the 1st whistle, but he gave a re take.

The likes of Lee Mason give all refs a bad name.
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Didn't see any pushing in the wall, doubt Mason did either.
 
domalino said:
These are the 2 interviews people didn't like, and as far as I can tell the trolls basically just criticised her interviewing, not anything more personal.






There was also a quite rude pre match interview with Owen Farrell but I can't find it.
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Thanks, those are two horrific interviews, well done to both for conducting themselves with class. It would be great to see that level of respect in football.
 
domalino said:
These are the 2 interviews people didn't like, and as far as I can tell the trolls basically just criticised her interviewing, not anything more personal.






There was also a quite rude pre match interview with Owen Farrell but I can't find it.
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It's what I call the Garry Richardson style of interviewing, which he used to practice regularly on his Sunday morning Sportsweek R5 Live programme.

He did it with the FA Chairman, Ian Watmore, after the Adebayor incident. Watmore is an Arsenal fan but Richardson tried to get him to be judge and jury before the FA had even received the referee's report. Watmore handled it very poorly in my opinion and instead of saying he wouldn't discuss it, effectively said Adebayor would be punished. Then on the next news & sport bulletin,the headline was "FA Chairman calls for Adebayor ban". Richardson would regularly ask provocative questions, looking to get a controversial opinion, even when his interviewee made it clear they wouldn't answer.

It's one of the firm, unwritten rules in Rugby Union that you don't criticise referees. She was just trying to stoke up a controversy and Farrell rightly refused to be drawn, when he could have landed himself in serious trouble with the RFU if he had spoken out of turn.

It's symptomatic of the decline of the BBC from an organisation that has quality and integrity at its core, to one that's little better than TalkShite. She deserved severe criticism (although not vile abuse) and if she cant deal with it she should perhaps find another career.
 
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richardtheref said:
MOTD might have explained it that way but in law that is wrong. The free kick is supposed to be an advantage to the fouled team. If the whistle goes it does not really matter if the keeper is ready or not. Before ko the ref will normally tell the players that if they want to take a quick free kick, then do so, as long as the ref hasn't asked them to wait for the whistle. Dunk has said that Mason told him he blew the 2nd time as there was pushing in the wall. Now under the new rules none of the attackers should be close enough to push anyone in the wall. If they had then surely it would have been a free kick to WBA as the ball is in play from the 1st whistle, but he gave a re take.

The likes of Lee Mason give all refs a bad name.
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Thanks for the explanation, what Dunk has said highlights what a clusterfuck it was by Mason.
 
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