Ref Watch

spacecadet said:
Nail on head. He should be MADE to explain the incompetence. No English refs at the last World Cup sums it up. How has this fucking clown kept his job?
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I've mentioned it before, but he has overseen the biggest fall in refereeing standards in my lifetime. Some of his refs look like its the first time they've watched a game.
 
At various points all clubs are benefiting and losing from these decisions. The managers/chairmen/whoever should be demanding that refs and VAR officials are interviewed as part of the TV coverage, and where there isn't any live coverage, interview them for the match report. They need to be held accountable for their incompetence. Kelly Dalglish could then be allowed last night to go live to Stockley Park and ask Madley why he didn't give the penalty, with that clear camera shot on loop showing the contact. Then and only then will VAR be of any use.

It's down to the clubs to make it happen.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Touched it, didn’t touch it, it doesn’t matter for me!

Surely, the whole pretext for a foul CANNOT be that a player got the faintest of touches on the ball before clearing out a player?

We see this when a keeper comes out, dives at a players feet, gets a fingertip on the ball, but clears out the feet of the player with the dive!

Foul???

EVERYWHERE on the field, these interactions are a foul, often a yellow card! Look at Fernandinho’s yellow!!! It’s a joke!!!

I don’t know know how these narratives get started, but I’ve seen PLENTY of players “get the ball” and yet get sent off for a follow through.

Foden got cleaned out, but tried to stay on his feet for the goal. Anyone with ANY football experience KNOWS it was a penalty....which is why Miss didn’t give it, and Madley didn’t have the stones to send him to the VAR screen with a word in his ear!

VAR has become the weak protecting the insecure and bent!
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They get started by know-nothing commentators coming out with the nonsense that he got a touch on the ball. So what? The ball is still in Foden's control and he was fouled and therefore lost a goalscoring opportunity. Rather like he felt a touch so had every right to go down when in reality he does not have the right as the touch was not enough to impede him never rmind make him fall like a starfish.
 
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LangleyBlue1970 said:
At various points all clubs are benefiting and losing from these decisions. The managers/chairmen/whoever should be demanding that refs and VAR officials are interviewed as part of the TV coverage, and where there isn't any live coverage, interview them for the match report. They need to be held accountable for their incompetence. Kelly Dalglish could then be allowed last night to go live to Stockley Park and ask Madley why he didn't give the penalty, with that clear camera shot on loop showing the contact. Then and only then will VAR be of any use.

It's down to the clubs to make it happen.
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I don't want them interviewed. Rather like a judge they should not be media stars. They should be faceless individuals whose name we don't even know. Moss even has his own Twitter. What kind of idiot referee does that?

Moss evidently felt that McCarthy got a slight touch on the ball and when VAR looked at the challenge he could not see proof that there had been no touch on the ball by the Southampton keeper. They need to go and read their own laws then.

What we need is a hierarchy. The referee needs to be overruled if he has made a critical mistake without feeling he has been undermined. It seems their mates in VAR will not do this so we need an independent team, possibly of ex footballers, who are not part of the referee clique to have the authority to overrule.

At the moment, even though we ran out winners, the feelings are that VAR is not fit for purpose or being used effectively. Or is it?
 
How and when did referees as a group become so powerful? Not so long ago their role was to apply the Laws of the Game. The making of the rules was the responsibility of the football associations, national and international as was the training, supervision and promotion of match officials down to County FA'S.
PGMOL has been around for 20 years but the increase in refs power is more recent than that. Now they decide how rules are interpreted and some of those decisions are made with refs in mind not the game.
In the first year of var they did not want to have refs going to the TVs at the side of pitches so it didn't happen.
 
Mike Cledford said:
How and when did referees as a group become so powerful? Not so long ago their role was to apply the Laws of the Game. The making of the rules was the responsibility of the football associations, national and international as was the training, supervision and promotion of match officials down to County FA'S.
PGMOL has been around for 20 years but the increase in refs power is more recent than that. Now they decide how rules are interpreted and some of those decisions are made with refs in mind not the game.
In the first year of var they did not want to have refs going to the TVs at the side if pitches
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I think they do this with a passing nod to consistency. We then watch a couple of consecutive matches and we find that the 'consistency' never existed!
 
manchester blue said:
I don't want them interviewed. Rather like a judge they should not be media stars. They should be faceless individuals whose name we don't even know. Moss even has his own Twitter. What kind of idiot referee does that?

Moss evidently felt that McCarthy got a slight touch on the ball and when VAR looked at the challenge he could not see proof that there had been no touch on the ball by the Southampton keeper. They need to go and read their own laws then.

What we need is a hierarchy. The referee needs to be overruled if he has made a critical mistake without feeling he has been undermined. It seems their mates in VAR will not do this so we need an independent team, possibly of ex footballers, who are not part of the referee clique to have the authority to overrule.

At the moment, even though we ran out winners, the feelings are that VAR is not fit for purpose or being used effectively. Or is it?
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Souness called it, when he said the officials will back each other, and he's right.
I can't see ex footballers being the answer, as the old mates club becomes quite huge at that point.
I don't see why they have to be faceless though. Imagine him being asked that question last night? Madley i mean? I can understand the ref missing something in real time, but the VAR should be doing what it's there for. And if it messes up, interview them and grill them live, to see what they have to say.
 
tonea2003 said:
i can only come to one conclusion, they are cheating, it was that blatant
it just cannot be incompetance, ive not heard anyone say it wasn't a pen
well apart from that dickhead hincecliffe who said he wasn't touched
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Even if it isn't deliberate cheating they are leaving themselves wide open to accusations of cheating and yet they are seemingly doing nothing to address it. If it is all above board then mike up the VAR room so that everyone can hear what they are saying to the ref re each decision and make the process transparent to the paying customers (football fans).
 
Mike Cledford said:
How and when did referees as a group become so powerful? Not so long ago their role was to apply the Laws of the Game. The making of the rules was the responsibility of the football associations, national and international as was the training, supervision and promotion of match officials down to County FA'S.
PGMOL has been around for 20 years but the increase in refs power is more recent than that. Now they decide how rules are interpreted and some of those decisions are made with refs in mind not the game.
In the first year of var they did not want to have refs going to the TVs at the side of pitches so it didn't happen.
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And VAR made the call instead of asking the ref to review the decision
 
These days, most people in employment go through an ongoing assessment/appraisal/one-to one meeting (apart from Journailsts, obviously). There is no way these guys are not being sat down the day after a game with a VT of the game and are being asked, 'now, did I make any mistakes, where can we get better'. There are too many repeat mistakes.

Also, while we are at it, they all stand in the centre of play, obstucting short passes. This can only be an attention seeking issue and it spoils the game.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Souness called it, when he said the officials will back each other, and he's right.
I can't see ex footballers being the answer, as the old mates club becomes quite huge at that point.
I don't see why they have to be faceless though. Imagine him being asked that question last night? Madley i mean? I can understand the ref missing something in real time, but the VAR should be doing what it's there for. And if it messes up, interview them and grill them live, to see what they have to say.
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Me neither. Anyone fancy Danny Muppet in the VAR shed with Danny Mills whistling his bollocks off every time City touched the ball? And Hinchcliffe? He'd be giving the opposition a fuckin' pen five mins into the warm up.
 
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