Ref Watch

adelaideblue said:
just look at the ball not the keeper or Foden, there is a slight deviation after Foden touches it, keeper must have had a slight touch
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Rubbish.
The keeper thinks he can get to the ball first,lunges with an outstretched foot to tackle,but Foden is too quick and nimble,and guides the ball on with the inside of his left foot....the keeper impacts just where the ball was ..but its not there,cos Foden is too quick.
Keeper does not get the ball at all.
 
Coljj said:
The keeper got a very, very slight touch on the ball, so feint that even he wouldn't have felt it. It certainly wouldn't have impacted Foden's route to the goal but the contact on his foot definitely did.
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I’m still waiting to see this feint touch on the ball the keeper got , still not seen it despite watching from various angles and slow motion videos.
 
The touch is there, it deviates slightly and it's the keepers touch but it's so fine he would not have even felt it. He got 99.8 Foden's foot and 0.2% of the ball.
 
I thought the straight arm push on KDB just before Southampton's penalty was just as much a penalty as any awarded to Liverpool or the rags this season.
That action is called a hand off in rugby and is legitimate in that sport only. How does the ref think Bernie defied gravity after Zin had let the ball go over his head?
Why does var come to such quick decisions against City when at other times play is stopped for several minutes as they try to find an angle to support the desired decision?
It's good old fashioned match fixing and neutrals should wake up to what is going on.
 
Touched it, didn’t touch it, it doesn’t matter for me!

Surely, the whole pretext for a foul CANNOT be that a player got the faintest of touches on the ball before clearing out a player?

We see this when a keeper comes out, dives at a players feet, gets a fingertip on the ball, but clears out the feet of the player with the dive!

Foul???

EVERYWHERE on the field, these interactions are a foul, often a yellow card! Look at Fernandinho’s yellow!!! It’s a joke!!!

I don’t know know how these narratives get started, but I’ve seen PLENTY of players “get the ball” and yet get sent off for a follow through.

Foden got cleaned out, but tried to stay on his feet for the goal. Anyone with ANY football experience KNOWS it was a penalty....which is why Miss didn’t give it, and Madley didn’t have the stones to send him to the VAR screen with a word in his ear!

VAR has become the weak protecting the insecure and bent!
 
The keeper didn't get a touch on the ball(I don't see it, Foden knocked the ball on to exactly where he wanted it), he's definitely not "won the ball" and he's definitely caused the player to fall over. The rule isn't to graze the ball and this allows you to foul a player, you have to actually make a tackle, he didn't win the ball from his opponent, he just brought the player down which stopped him having a tap-in. The only question is, even if this phantom touch exists, does Foden still get to that ball if he isn't caused to stumble by the keeper fouling him? I'd say he does, easily.

Even the first contact argument is besides the point because if you watch the keepers left knee, it could be said it makes(slight) contact with the right foot of Foden before he reaches the left foot with his leading leg.

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Look at the ball there, it's already on Foden's foot, so this is not a 50/50 challenge that the keeper was first to. Foden's intention here is to knock it ahead to run onto it, which he does. The keeper changed nothing but the latter part, with his foul.
 
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What we all need to realise is that corruption exists in the premier league , it always has and it always will. The trouble is the Premier league now openly feel that they can influence results in full public view because nobody can challenge them, and they are probably correct .City are going to have to produce a dossier of corruption so complete and irrefutable that it totally kills football as we know it in the uk and probably Europe, and do we really want to do that ? As a City fan I say bring it on but where would that leave us as a football club ? It seems that all we can do is keep highlighting the corruption and hope that other clubs begin to see the light and help to force change but I am not going to hold my breath .
 
The whole incident is farcical. There was a tackle by Fernandinho in the 2nd half where he got to the ball first, played the ball, only he touched the ball and it was a 100% clean tackle at speed, yet Moss, who really is a fat geriatric pretending to be a premier league referee, could not wait to blow his whistle. It's also staggering, now think about this, that the man in the VAR studio cannot get it right on whether the goalkeeper touched the ball, yet uses the same eyes and technology to decide the precise moment a pass is played during an offside query.

By letting Premier League Referees man the VAR, we have entrusted an already incompetent organisation with policing its own most controversial decisions with no comeback. It's frightening, it really is, and is so open to personal bias or agenda it's beyond the pale.
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
Touched it, didn’t touch it, it doesn’t matter for me!

Surely, the whole pretext for a foul CANNOT be that a player got the faintest of touches on the ball before clearing out a player?

We see this when a keeper comes out, dives at a players feet, gets a fingertip on the ball, but clears out the feet of the player with the dive!

Foul???

EVERYWHERE on the field, these interactions are a foul, often a yellow card! Look at Fernandinho’s yellow!!! It’s a joke!!!

I don’t know know how these narratives get started, but I’ve seen PLENTY of players “get the ball” and yet get sent off for a follow through.

Foden got cleaned out, but tried to stay on his feet for the goal. Anyone with ANY football experience KNOWS it was a penalty....which is why Miss didn’t give it, and Madley didn’t have the stones to send him to the VAR screen with a word in his ear!

VAR has become the weak protecting the insecure and bent!
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That's the key. If he gets the ball and then breaks Foden's leg is it still no penalty?!

VAR is there to check for clear and obvious errors. It decided it couldn't see if McCarthy got the ball or not which is worrying, but also forgot to bother thinking whether that even mattered because he still cleared Foden out.

Nonsense.
 
No one is going to play honest where the refs set a policy of calling dives and not fouls. Moss/Atkinson (more so Atkinson imo) should be ashamed because this is a decision attackers will pay attention to.

Sure, there needs to be a structural change to VAR review so that it can be more than "clear & obvious errors" that are overturned. That's obvious.

But what I'm angry about with the decision is the fact that it was still a clear/obvious error that the pen wasn't given. Moss should have been made to watch that contact on screen (not from a Sky angle either).
 
Coljj said:
Sky doing their bit as well. Only showing the pull from from one or two angles tops.
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Not one view from behind the goal as that would obviously have have shown that the was little or no contact
 
JRockBlues said:
I see the incmpetence vs corruption debate has reared its ugly head again. I'd say I'm in the incompetence camp as if it was corruption and with how bad we are at taking them if it was the latter then surely they would've awarded the penalty when the foul was made and not given Phil the chance to get up and score.
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You'r totally choosing to ignore the clear fouls not given, the throw one x3 and corners X3 given the wrong way. And all against us. Incompetence would mean both sides were impacted. Corruption is clear.
 
Fair play to Souness for calling it out, no point getting angry about the officiating in this country anymore. The officials have been shit and completely out of their depth for years. Pep pointed to the numerous bad decisions over the last TWO weeks, we’re not talking about questionable decisions over a 2 year period, we’re talking about weeks. That for me just shows how gash they all are, if I kept fucking up at work every week I’d be gone, as would most, ‘officials’ are untouchable and always will be.
 
ID70 said:
Not one view from behind the goal as that would obviously have have shown that the was little or no contact
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To be fair, it was very clear from the angles that were shown. We’re over analysing it, it was a clear penalty with no contact and a therefore a huge mistake.
 
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