Ref Watch

So if you get a slight nick on the ball, you can boot a player to the floor to stop him advancing? I thought you had to win the ball first and foremost.
I’m sure I read a year or two ago Pigmol stating that it’s still a foul if a player gets a slight touch on the ball, but follows through and takes the player out or impedes him, probably only apply that rule when it affects certain teams.
 
On the Norwich penalty - it's in the laws - the ref was correct. If it's in the area and deemed an attempt at playing the ball, then it's penalty+yellow. Basically the intention it to prevent a fair but slightly mistimed challenge getting both a goal and a sending-off double whammy.

"Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off."
Because Laporte wasn't in the area and his attempt to play the ball was the clumsiest we've seen this season we get the opportunity to play with ten for half a game. Brentford just suffer a pen, which can be saved or missed. I think there is some deep imbalance here. Yer right, the laws are correct as written, but I think there is some serious imbalance in the possible outcomes.
 
They took a beating yesterday. My god did they ever. More of a beating than our 6-1. Total domination and control. As Souness said yesterday ‘i have never seen a game like that’.

i totally understand what your saying
mentally they was smashed and pep and city only used the starting 11 ? united used 15 players and the city players looked the fitter after the 90 minutes. but a score line bashing can leave a bigger scare than the result that looks a closer game, even at half time gary neville thought united could still get a 2.2 result hahahahaha
 
I’m sure I read a year or two ago Pigmol stating that it’s still a foul if a player gets a slight touch on the ball, but follows through and takes the player out or impedes him, probably only apply that rule when it affects certain teams.
And we can count those teams on two digits of one hand!
 
i totally understand what your saying
mentally they was smashed and pep and city only used the starting 11 ? united used 15 players and the city players looked the fitter after the 90 minutes. but a score line bashing can leave a bigger scare than the result that looks a closer game, even at half time gary neville thought united could still get a 2.2 result hahahahaha
I wonder which match will result in greater scars on the players. I agree with you its easier for everyone else just to go by the score line but the players who 'watched' us give them a lesson in how to play football yesterday wont forget that easily.
The Liverpool match could partially be rationalised by individual mistakes. Not having the ball for 90 minutes cant be rationalised by anything other than we are on a different planet in footballing terms.
 
I wonder which match will result in greater scars on the players. I agree with you its easier for everyone else just to go by the score line but the players who 'watched' us give them a lesson in how to play football yesterday wont forget that easily.
The Liverpool match could partially be rationalised by individual mistakes. Not having the ball for 90 minutes cant be rationalised by anything other than we are on a different planet in footballing terms.

Total dominance throughout the game is not often witnessed but we achieved it yesterday . Absolute control !
 
Because Laporte wasn't in the area and his attempt to play the ball was the clumsiest we've seen this season we get the opportunity to play with ten for half a game. Brentford just suffer a pen, which can be saved or missed. I think there is some deep imbalance here. Yer right, the laws are correct as written, but I think there is some serious imbalance in the possible outcomes.
Not sure if it is that serious.

In the PL, I believe penalties are scored 80% of the time, so it's a swing of 0.8 goals on that one action (although obviously scoring a goal at certain times can give more than that advantage - e.g. a counter attacking team that takes the lead can sit back even more).

The only stats I've seen for red cards in the PL, suggests it results in a swing of 0.9 goals. So, higher than 0.8, but you've also got the impact of a defender on a yellow and you don't have the immediate balance change that a goal from a penalty can provide.

Overall, not a huge difference in outcome.
 
Utd players hit the ground to stop play. That clearly indicated that they thought setpieces were their only chance.

Many of the fouls on City players were late but as the ball had been retained, it was presumably deemed advantage. One or two of the advantages were minimal at best, and you could see that some of the late hits were annoying the players - Walker definitely got one that he was annoyed about. I assume that it was drilled into the players to keep calm and ignore the ref's behaviour as much as possible.
That little rat Fernandes spent most of the 1st half on the turf, honestly lost count of the amount of times he went down, ridiculous.
 
The big decisions will be debated til the cows come home but for me it can only be intentional I.e corruption.

This is clearer in the smaller decisions which set the tone of the game which never make it onto highlights. The first half they get every and I mean everything they ask for I mean some laughable stuff. Meanwhile we get genuine fouls not given repeatedly.

This happens in every bit game to us and it serves to let the players now what is happening. And you can see their reactions, Bernardo throws his arms up kev turns purple etc grealish still can't get used to it etc It takes us that much more to win games with this mentality never mind win the league over the season. I love our players even more taking this into account.

The look on their faces is one of pure injustice and disbelief.

I hope fergie dies before they win anything cheating scumbags
I hope this too but also want the pisscan to live to 100
 
I wonder which match will result in greater scars on the players. I agree with you its easier for everyone else just to go by the score line but the players who 'watched' us give them a lesson in how to play football yesterday wont forget that easily.
The Liverpool match could partially be rationalised by individual mistakes. Not having the ball for 90 minutes cant be rationalised by anything other than we are on a different planet in footballing terms.

ex-players like neville know fuck all about football that's why they are working for sky and other tv channels
mentally the city result will hurt them longer term because manchester city are a country mile ahead of them and they have spent millions on that squad
 
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Even before the replay was shown confirming it was a penalty on Jesus, I noticed Oliver was acting oddly in that he put his hands around Bernardo as if to say,"cmon mate the game is over already"..
 
Utd players hit the ground to stop play. That clearly indicated that they thought setpieces were their only chance.

Many of the fouls on City players were late but as the ball had been retained, it was presumably deemed advantage. One or two of the advantages were minimal at best, and you could see that some of the late hits were annoying the players - Walker definitely got one that he was annoyed about. I assume that it was drilled into the players to keep calm and ignore the ref's behaviour as much as possible.
Yeah, we've said many times on this forum that we have to take the game out of the ref's hands. Score plenty without VAR chalking all of them off! We had 69% of the possession yesterday and 55% of the fouls!
 
Clearest pen you’ll ever see.

How did McGuire not get booked for a studs up high challenge from behind on Kev ?

That senile **** Tyler tried to justify it “but this is a derby …”
 
The big decisions will be debated til the cows come home but for me it can only be intentional I.e corruption.

This is clearer in the smaller decisions which set the tone of the game which never make it onto highlights. The first half they get every and I mean everything they ask for I mean some laughable stuff. Meanwhile we get genuine fouls not given repeatedly.

This happens in every bit game to us and it serves to let the players now what is happening. And you can see their reactions, Bernardo throws his arms up kev turns purple etc grealish still can't get used to it etc It takes us that much more to win games with this mentality never mind win the league over the season. I love our players even more taking this into account.

The look on their faces is one of pure injustice and disbelief.

I hope fergie dies before they win anything cheating scumbags
The one where Bernardo nicked the ball off Maguire in the first half, who promptly fell to the turf clutching his ankles whilst giving his best BBC interview "I'm innocent" face was so fucking embarrassing.

Looked like Bernardo told the breeze-block-headed-liar how pathetic he was too.

So happy that all their cheating antics counted for nothing, but beyond annoying that the ref "fell for it" (that's not what was going on, but it's what he wanted us to believe was going on)

There were 12 cheating bastards on that pitch yesterday and one of them was the sad excuse of a referee.
 

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