Ref Watch

[dadnlad]

It was interesting because Gallagher has pretty much confirmed what we all suspected, that VAR has influenced the decision making and therefore the result of the game. To their credit, Sue Smith and Stephen Warnock have agreed and called both decisions (Liverpool's second goal and the penalty) as incorrect.

because they knew out come of game

 

[waspish]

Laporte no red all agreed so swept under carpet

 

[Bluearmy]

Given Odegaard’s foot planted on Ederson’s shin I’d say it was a free kick the other way, I can’t ever remember in the history of football, a player giving a free kick or pen away when his shin has connected with another players studs, don’t be sucked in by the “seen em given narrative” that has been used against us so efficiently over the years or “he’s been stupid/an idiot”

Ederson’s foul on Fraser @ Newcastle was a pen IMO. We got away with one there. He won the ball in the Odergaard incident, great if a little risky tackle.

 

[imrebanana]

No surprise there Dermott

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

He still got sent off, didn't he?

Gabriel's first yellow at Arsenal seems to have been for dissent because he gave it after the penalty had been scored, when the players were on their way back to the centre circle. Then he got a second yellow for a fairly obvious bodycheck. (Also, if yellows were being given for scuffing the spot, the goalkeeper should have got one too because he was at it for a good 30 seconds while the ref was at the VAR monitor.)

The other was against Wolves, the guy who got a yellow for a foul that sometimes gets a yellow, sometimes doesn't but then 30 seconds later tried to block a free kick when he was about a yard away from the ball.

The ref backed his self into a corner in the Wolves game because he’d booked two of our players, it was a borderline booking for Jimenez and he left himself no wiggle room

 

[chaddblue]

Apparently there was no contact on Laporte... In that case he must be into self harm

 

[Bluearmy]

I think there has been a spate of questionable decisions this weekend, and many have gone against us and in favour of our direct challengers (and United). Hence a bit of a revival of this thread.

But taking off the blue tints, the United goal was probably ok. Liverpool only had to see out a few minutes and probably would have won anyway. And the De Bruyne penalty decision was arguably correct also. We can't really say the resultant points awarded were affected much, if at all.

When was the last time we had this many contentious decisions in one weekend? Or when we felt we had been treated unfairly by VAR? There havn't been occasions many this season, and this is suggestive to me that things are improving.

There are still some questions I would like answered though, such as why a Match Commander is needed, and what are his actual powers.

Not perfect, but I can see improvements.

Id agree with lots of that, would only add it needs to be transparent and fans must hear the reasoning behind decisions. Also have suspicions Sky/BT get looped into conversations, everyone should be aware not just ref/var/tv. Works almost seamlessly in Rugby/Cricket. Trust football to (deliberately) cock it up

 

[Paladin]

Laporte no red all agreed so swept under carpet

The Laporte foul could have been either reckless, or with excessive force. It's a borderline decision that is down to the referee on the day.

 

[Chris in London]

The ref backed his self into a corner in the Wolves game because he’d booked two of our players, it was a borderline booking for Jimenez and he left himself no wiggle room

Agree, but the challenge itself was still borderline. It still might have been a yellow if he hadn't given two for similar fouls already, but another ref would have let all three go without yellows.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

I completely agree, the decisions we get are the ones there's not really much to argue about. The only genuine 50/50 call we have had in our favour I can think of was the Odergaard penalty shout in the Arsenal game.

I'd say the Wolves penalty too. After those I'm struggling

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

I really do wonder what constitutes a straight red for a foul on a City player in the opinion of Dermot

 

[Chris in London]

I'd say the Wolves penalty too. After those I'm struggling

There was a clearer shout that wasn't given in the first half.

 

[Bluearmy]

The Laporte foul could have been either reckless, or with excessive force. It's a borderline decision that is down to the referee on the day.

The deep gash on Laporte’s upper thigh suggests endangering the safety of an opponent.

 

[Bluearmy]

I'd say the Wolves penalty too. After those I'm struggling

Newcastle pen incident again with Ederson. Lucky there

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

The deep gash on Laporte’s upper thigh suggests endangering the safety of an opponent.

The cunts have an answer for every level of inconsistency that we regularly witness.

Incompetence or corruption ?

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

Ederson’s foul on Fraser @ Newcastle was a pen IMO. We got away with one there. He won the ball in the Odergaard incident, great if a little risky tackle.

Now that was a divisive decision, right across football, what made it such an anomaly was Joao coming away with the ball before contact was made, but that I don’t think had even come into the referees thinking, he believed Fraser initiated contact & VAR couldn’t intervene. We are that programmed into thinking they are always given against us (which they normally are) every City fan expected one to be given, just because it wasn’t was as much a surprise to me as anything, it became the subjective opinion of the ref (Atkinson?) and likewise the rest of football. What I would say is Ederson was a lot more reckless than Guaita & less in control

 

[FantasyIreland]

I really do wonder what constitutes a straight red for a foul on a City player in the opinion of Dermot

They all claimed little if any contact was made....which is comical given the post match pictures that the player put up.

Was it a red? probably,but i can see why there was doubt too.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

Id agree with lots of that, would only add it needs to be transparent and fans must hear the reasoning behind decisions. Also have suspicions Sky/BT get looped into conversations, everyone should be aware not just ref/var/tv. Works almost seamlessly in Rugby/Cricket. Trust football to (deliberately) cock it up

Agreed, Sky get looped in at the same time to service the armchair fan, which is normally announced before the referee indicates the decision on the pitch, you normally hear an ohhhh from Neville first which gives it away. A good start would be to hear any VAR decisions transmitted, if those at Stockley park don’t like the sound of their own voice then get a new job or do it in a robotic alternative commentary kind of way. This would allow all involved a few seasons getting used to the idea (like var) before implementing a full roll out of 100% match transparency

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Apparently there was no contact on Laporte... In that case he must be into self harm

I know there was I've seen Laporte's twitter picture however, little/no contact is bollocks anyway, we've seen to name but 2 (SWP at Stoke, Petrov at home to someone) get reds for the sort of contact a 6 month old wouldn't feel.

Narrative is changed to suit by the authorities (can't distinguish these days between match commander, pigmol, VAR, sky in all it's various parts, media etc).

I've not seen the raggy goal but KDB was a pen, not seen the 'offside' dips one but the pen was a disgrace.

This is what we're up against, authorities use terms like...I've seen those given, not enough contact to suit what they want & don't even get me started on the amount of time VAR takes looking for things on certain calls but mananges to clear some up in seconds.

Fucking stinks.

 

[I'm Blue]

I’m just surprised Dermot didn’t say that Laporte dived.
I’ve been saying for years that there isn’t one decent ref in this league.