Close thread…..also anyone criticising our lads, just think about the split second mental gymnastics, I thought they played the situation correct, the officials have shafted them which ever way you look at itThis is another aspect to this that is not being talked about.
We knew immediately that Rashford was obviously offside by virtue of watching on TV but Akanji, Walker, and Ederson didn’t know for sure. Which means everything they did whilst play continued had to be based on the assumption he was onside, because if he was, and the went in for a challenge based on the way Rashford was shielding the ball, they could give away a penalty and/or be sent off.
Only people that have never actually played football will think Rashford isn’t influencing (obstructing) the play of the defenders and keeper in that situation.
All of the uncertainty and risk was with the defenders in that scenario, meaning allowing that sort of offside play further disadvantages the defending team (who is already inherently disadvantaged).
The linesman did flag but the referee must have overruled him.I couldn’t disagree more.
The moment Rashford goes towards the ball he is impacting the decision making of our defenders and goalkeeper. I mean his run gets him within 30 cm of the ball, he practically shields it towards Fernandes.
How a linesman doesn’t flag for a player who is three yards offside running towards the ball is beyond me.
Absolutely agree that he impacts the decision making.....said it countless times....but thats not in the rules...the rule(s) is about physically trying to play the ball (or actually playing it) - which rashford doesnt...nor does he impede anyone physically...both defenders could have made a tackle (and if you look at the rules if the defender had tried to takcle Rasford and fouled him...it would have been given offside (if Fernandes hadnt scored) as the offside had occured first...if fernardes scores its still a goal (s long as Rasford doesnt touch the ball at any point0
The linesman did flag offside...the ref changed the decision
Another thing that confirm it for me is that if Akanji, Walker or Ederson had gone on to foul Rashford, would they have been booked or sent off given that Rashford WAS offside?This is another aspect to this that is not being talked about.
We knew immediately that Rashford was obviously offside by virtue of watching on TV but Akanji, Walker, and Ederson didn’t know for sure. Which means everything they did whilst play continued had to be based on the assumption he was onside, because if he was, and the went in for a challenge based on the way Rashford was shielding the ball, they could give away a penalty and/or be sent off.
Only people that have never actually played football will think Rashford isn’t influencing (obstructing) the play of the defenders and keeper in that situation.
All of the uncertainty and risk was with the defenders in that scenario, meaning allowing that sort of offside play further disadvantages the defending team (who is already inherently disadvantaged).
Shankly and he said if not interfering with play he should not be on the field is my recollection.I think that was Danny Blanchflower.
Just seen Gakpo for Liverpool have shot blocked and the ball has gone to Trent who was standing in an offside position but let the ball go off for a throw in without touching it or attempting to touch it. Linesman put his flag up and ref blew his whistle. So inconsistent. Can't make it up really.
But surely, when he was running with the ball at his feet, dummied he was going to play it with his left foot, dropping his shoulder as if he was going to go to the right, then dummied a pass with his right foot, he is deemed in control of the ball and therefore offside?Absolutely agree that he impacts the decision making.....said it countless times....but thats not in the rules...the rule(s) is about physically trying to play the ball (or actually playing it) - which rashford doesnt...nor does he impede anyone physically...both defenders could have made a tackle (and if you look at the rules if the defender had tried to takcle Rasford and fouled him...it would have been given offside (if Fernandes hadnt scored) as the offside had occured first...if fernardes scores its still a goal (s long as Rasford doesnt touch the ball at any point0
The linesman did flag offside...the ref changed the decision
That used to be the rule but it was changed recently.......But aren't we told VAR checks ALL goal decisions?
I agree its ambiguous and why i have said that the rule is wrong ...but the rule seems to suggest physical ability not decision making....Sorry but I don't understand this perspective.
The rule says 'impacting the ability of a defender to play the ball'
How is the defender's decision-making not literally the most fundamental part of their 'ability to play the ball'? You can't disentangle somebody's ability to play the ball from their mental process that leads to them playing the ball... that distinction seems bizarre and isn't stated explicitly anywhere in the actual law.
Arm out shielding Akanji.
Left foot back ready to shift the ball which puts Ederson in a set position ready to make an attempted save.
Not interfering though...nothing to see here...
I agree but the rule suggests that he has to physicall attempt to ply the ball....which none of those areBut surely, when he was running with the ball at his feet, dummied he was going to play it with his left foot, dropping his shoulder as if he was going to go to the right, then dummied a pass with his right foot, he is deemed in control of the ball and therefore offside?
Absolutely agree that he impacts the decision making.....said it countless times....but thats not in the rules...the rule(s) is about physically trying to play the ball (or actually playing it) - which rashford doesnt...nor does he impede anyone physically...both defenders could have made a tackle (and if you look at the rules if the defender had tried to takcle Rasford and fouled him...it would have been given offside (if Fernandes hadnt scored) as the offside had occured first...if fernardes scores its still a goal (s long as Rasford doesnt touch the ball at any point0
The linesman did flag offside...the ref changed the decision
Arm out shielding Akanji.
Left foot back ready to shift the ball which puts Ederson in a set position ready to make an attempted save.
Not interfering though...nothing to see here...
He did flag. He was then overruled by the referee.
Who had been taking oddly long periods of time to make calls today, almost all of the delayed decisions falling in favour of United.
That won’t be talked about but it was strange to watch live.
Pretty sure you’re wrong fella but enjoy your pedantic argument nonethelessI think that was Danny Blanchflower.