Ref Watch

[SebastianBlue]

PIGMOB are a shambles and not fit for purpose

 

[Stephen230]

You’ve had a mare here. Everything you’ve written is the complete opposite of the reality

So you think he did Taylor a favour by not correcting an obvious error?

Or the VAR who didn’t intervene in the United, Wolves game did his mate the referee a favour by not intervening? , Even though it ended up with him getting stood down because of it.

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

Why are they so insecure?

Nobody cares if the on-field ref makes a mistake if VAR clears it up. That’s what it’s there for.

Nobody thinks any less (or shouldn’t) of referees and linesmen if they make a live-call mistake because they see things once from one angle at one speed in the heat of the moment. Sometimes they have to be trying to take in two things at once, having to flit their eyes/head from something happening twenty yards away from the other thing (especially linesmen with offsides where they need to look at the defensive line and the exact moment the ball is kicked).

It’s blindingly obvious pitch officials are going to make mistakes. That’s why sports created video technology and video referees.

For a video ref to correct a pitch official mistake is taking the game forward. It’s what everyone wants. The pitch officials are no better or worse at their job if they make mistakes or have VAR back them up.

They need to get real these fuckers!

It's a good point. If VAR was used the way it was intended why would anyone care about the ref? In cricket, no one cares about the umpire now but pre DRS there were allegations of bias - in fact Holding and Gatting almost caused diplomatic incidents.
If VAR is properly applied and corrects a clear and obvious error then everyone just moves on and if it backs up the ref then all well and good.
But Dean has just admitted the corruption we already know. His vorruption might jof have been for personal gain (match fixing) or even to benefit the red clubs - it doesn't,matter, he made a decision for non football reasons and that's corrupt

 

[Dodge]

Calling @Dodge. Surely now is the perfect time to release that audio of the Rashford offside incident? No?

Agree with you 100% mate, unfortunately it ain't down to me.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Why are they so insecure?

Nobody cares if the on-field ref makes a mistake if VAR clears it up. That’s what it’s there for.

Nobody thinks any less (or shouldn’t) of referees and linesmen if they make a live-call mistake because they see things once from one angle at one speed in the heat of the moment. Sometimes they have to be trying to take in two things at once, having to flit their eyes/head from something happening twenty yards away from the other thing (especially linesmen with offsides where they need to look at the defensive line and the exact moment the ball is kicked).

It’s blindingly obvious pitch officials are going to make mistakes. That’s why sports created video technology and video referees.

For a video ref to correct a pitch official mistake is taking the game forward. It’s what everyone wants. The pitch officials are no better or worse at their job if they make mistakes or have VAR back them up.

They need to get real these fuckers!

Just saw this and all I can say is: hear, hear!

"Clear and obvious" is a farcical threshold that does not serve the purpose of VAR, fans' desires, or what is best for football, full stop.

It needs to be scrapped and legitimate referees, just trying to do a very difficult job the best they can, should be supported by VAR, (as well as paid substantially more to attract more and better officials and held to the same standard of accountability as managers, coaches, players, and club executives).

 

[meltonblue]

Why are they so insecure?

Nobody cares if the on-field ref makes a mistake if VAR clears it up. That’s what it’s there for.

Nobody thinks any less (or shouldn’t) of referees and linesmen if they make a live-call mistake because they see things once from one angle at one speed in the heat of the moment. Sometimes they have to be trying to take in two things at once, having to flit their eyes/head from something happening twenty yards away from the other thing (especially linesmen with offsides where they need to look at the defensive line and the exact moment the ball is kicked).

It’s blindingly obvious pitch officials are going to make mistakes. That’s why sports created video technology and video referees.

For a video ref to correct a pitch official mistake is taking the game forward. It’s what everyone wants. The pitch officials are no better or worse at their job if they make mistakes or have VAR back them up.

They need to get real these fuckers!

Agree with the sentiment here, although not your second to last paragraph. I’d very happily go back to a world pre-VAR :)

 

[Paladin]

I worked for a regulated utility in the UK for forty years. As a privatised industry enjoying monopoly status in our area, we were heavily regulated. Auditors used to come along each year asking us to prove what we entered in our submissions was accurate. They could ask us anything, and we would have to give examples that verified our statements. This kept us honest.

The trouble with PGMOL and VAR is that they are their own regulators. They are accountable to nobody but themselves, with Webb being the top man, gradually weeding out those who don't toe the line or are incompetent (Swarbrick, Dean), and replacing them with his trusted allies (Moss). They are becoming an organisation with a dictator, assisted by cronies and yes men.

Webb has had a year to bed in now. He is talking about releasing VAR conversations for certain incidents, to demonstrate the transparency they claim to want. Which incidents though? Those chosen by Webb himself, because they will not be controversial.

This is not good enough. Coupled with the PGMOL statement today in response to Dean's revelation, we have an organisation that looks increasingly unfit for purpose.

They could build bridges and start to restore confidence immediately with some simple measures:

1. All VAR conversations for the duration of each game to be recorded and stored.

2. Create a team of independent auditors (experienced sports people from other sports, with no allegiances), tasked with reviewing all controversial incidents.

3. Webb to review on TV certain VAR incidents, but chosen based on public perception of the decision, not Webb's selected incidents.

If these charlatans know their conversations and decisions might enter the public domain, you can guarantee things like the Wolves penalty, the Rashford offside would have different, more reasonable outcomes and PGMOL apologies would be significantly reduced.

 

[Stephen230]

I worked for a regulated utility in the UK for forty years. As a privatised industry enjoying monopoly status in our area, we were heavily regulated. Auditors used to come along each year asking us to prove what we entered in our submissions was accurate. They could ask us anything, and we would have to give examples that verified our statements. This kept us honest.

The trouble with PGMOL and VAR is that they are their own regulators. They are accountable to nobody but themselves, with Webb being the top man, gradually weeding out those who don't toe the line or are incompetent (Swarbrick, Dean), and replacing them with his trusted allies (Moss). They are becoming an organisation with a dictator, assisted by cronies and yes men.

Webb has had a year to bed in now. He is talking about releasing VAR conversations for certain incidents, to demonstrate the transparency they claim to want. Which incidents though? Those chosen by Webb himself, because they will not be controversial.

This is not good enough. Coupled with the PGMOL statement today in response to Dean's revelation, we have an organisation that looks increasingly unfit for purpose.

They could build bridges and start to restore confidence immediately with some simple measures:

1. All VAR conversations for the duration of each game to be recorded and stored.

2. Create a team of independent auditors (experienced sports people from other sports, with no allegiances), tasked with reviewing all controversial incidents.

3. Webb to review on TV certain VAR incidents, but chosen based on public perception of the decision, not Webb's selected incidents.

If these charlatans know their conversations and decisions might enter the public domain, you can guarantee things like the Wolves penalty, the Rashford offside would have different, more reasonable outcomes and PGMOL apologies would be significantly reduced.

1 and 3 are fair enough. Not really sure how 2 could work though? How could you judge a decision in a sport who’s laws you don’t have a full understanding of?

 

[Paladin]

1 and 3 are fair enough. Not really sure how 2 could work though? How could you judge a decision in a sport who’s laws you don’t have a full understanding of?

They don't need to, necessarily. They can look for evidence of showing favour or discrimination. Or take for example the Dean incident. If hair pulling in rugby occurred, you wouldn't really need to know the letter of the law to realise it should have been penalised as foul play.

 

[Stephen230]

They don't need to, necessarily. They can look for evidence of showing favour or discrimination. Or take for example the Dean incident. If hair pulling in rugby occurred, you wouldn't really need to know the letter of the law to realise it should have been penalised as foul play.

I think we’ll have to disagree on that one mate.

 

[lasereyes]

So the stupid bastard who reffed the rags and didn’t give the penalty against Wolves, missed one game and then is given the VAR role in our game on Sunday!

It's a reward for following orders. Put your feet up for a week all expenses paid then take your game to the next level this coming weekend

 

[lasereyes]

You’ve had a mare here. Everything you’ve written is the complete opposite of the reality

At least he is consistent with his past "contributions"

 

[nmc]

It’s interesting today that the FA’s response to the Mike Dean revelation is dismay that it has come to light - if they had any integrity they’d be launching an immediate enquiry to understand what the hell is going on… instead we will be treated to another weekend of apologies whilst Mr Corruption himself Howard Webb remains at the helm. The whole PIGMOL organisation is rotten to the core, it lacks integrity, there are too many errors and mistakes being made for them to be passed of as errors and incompetence. A few officials are probably on the take from betting syndicates.

 

[blueju]

I worked for a regulated utility in the UK for forty years. As a privatised industry enjoying monopoly status in our area, we were heavily regulated. Auditors used to come along each year asking us to prove what we entered in our submissions was accurate. They could ask us anything, and we would have to give examples that verified our statements. This kept us honest.

The trouble with PGMOL and VAR is that they are their own regulators. They are accountable to nobody but themselves, with Webb being the top man, gradually weeding out those who don't toe the line or are incompetent (Swarbrick, Dean), and replacing them with his trusted allies (Moss). They are becoming an organisation with a dictator, assisted by cronies and yes men.

Webb has had a year to bed in now. He is talking about releasing VAR conversations for certain incidents, to demonstrate the transparency they claim to want. Which incidents though? Those chosen by Webb himself, because they will not be controversial.

This is not good enough. Coupled with the PGMOL statement today in response to Dean's revelation, we have an organisation that looks increasingly unfit for purpose.

They could build bridges and start to restore confidence immediately with some simple measures:

1. All VAR conversations for the duration of each game to be recorded and stored.

2. Create a team of independent auditors (experienced sports people from other sports, with no allegiances), tasked with reviewing all controversial incidents.

3. Webb to review on TV certain VAR incidents, but chosen based on public perception of the decision, not Webb's selected incidents.

If these charlatans know their conversations and decisions might enter the public domain, you can guarantee things like the Wolves penalty, the Rashford offside would have different, more reasonable outcomes and PGMOL apologies would be significantly reduced.

4.Make the red shite in Trafford and the red shite in Murkyside install screens so the away fans can see themselves being fucked over again and again in slo mo.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

The only way Dean admits this, is if a collective decision was made from the entire organisation not to undermine one another when making a decision, which is basically railing against the introduction of VAR, and been in place since it’s inception, or as we all suspect, VAR has been used to manipulate the outcome of games. Dean is quite smart because he has cleansed his sins and fired a warning shot at the same time, he knows there are much bigger incidents in play here, such as the Rashford offside, the big question is what else does he know ?

 

[Paladin]

The only way Dean admits this, is if a collective decision was made from the entire organisation not to undermine one another when making a decision, which is basically railing against the introduction of VAR, and been in place since it’s inception, or as we all suspect, VAR has been used to manipulate the outcome of games. Dean is quite smart because he has cleansed his sins and fired a warning shot at the same time, he knows there are much bigger incidents in play here, such as the Rashford offside, the big question is what else does he know ?

Dean is definitely a loose cannon. The transfer from top flight refereeing to VAR must pretty much be automatic, and I reckon Webb couldn't wait to get rid of him. Same with Mason. Webb only wants compliant officials working for him. He'd have a team of Attwells or Cootes if he could.

 

[mancboy]

Mike Dean loves the lime light. I'm convinced some of his decisions have been made so he spends enough time on camera for him to knock one out when he gets home.

It was always awful when dean was reffing a game because you knew he would take any opportunity to make the game about him and that has permeated through the game, we shouldnt know the names of the refs, they shouldnt be part of the narrative but now are more often than not

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

It was always awful when dean was reffing a game because you knew he would take any opportunity to make the game about him and that has permeated through the game, we shouldnt know the names of the refs, they shouldnt be part of the narrative but now are more often than not

It’s a great point, growing up the only refs name I can remember was George Courtney, they were all old men, ex Pe teachers & from Solihull or somewhere more obscure. Collina made refereeing en vogue, and all the prancing preening prat’s followed

 

[Nellies left peg]

It’s a great point, growing up the only refs name I can remember was George Courtney, they were all old men, ex Pe teachers & from Solihull or somewhere more obscure. Collina made refereeing en vogue, and all the prancing preening prat’s followed

The likes of Poll , Rennie and that public school teacher Ellary, and the quality is no better today

 

[GSW Blue]

The pool of refs used in the PL is too small making it easy for the likes of Webb to direct them on a chosen agenda.

Also the selecting of officials for specific games should be done randomly in public.