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tweety said:
The mess we're in has nothing to do with Brexit but the incompetence of conservative and labour governments in their policies and by dragging their feet over Brexit which neither wanted to happen.
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just typical. It's always someone else's fault. Explain just how you thought breaking away from our biggest trading market was going to improve yours/my/the average man in the street's standard of living. It couldn't and hasn't. So until you take just a bit of responsibility for the country being worse off, stop moaning about the mess, some of which you helped create.
 
hampshireblue said:
just typical. It's always someone else's fault. Explain just how you thought breaking away from our biggest trading market was going to improve yours/my/the average man in the street's standard of living. It couldn't and hasn't. So until you take just a bit of responsibility for the country being worse off, stop moaning about the mess, some of which you helped create.
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Wow, go dry your tears.
I had a number of reasons for voting for Brexit but the decider for me was the loss of sovereignty, I had no wish to become part of a European super state. The original concept of the common market was fine but it wasn't enough for the power hungry politicians. We still have democracy in this country and the majority decided that we left, deal with it. The decline of this country has been ongoing for decades and has nothing to do with our exit.
 
tweety said:
Wow, go dry your tears.
I had a number of reasons for voting for Brexit but the decider for me was the loss of sovereignty, I had no wish to become part of a European super state. The original concept of the common market was fine but it wasn't enough for the power hungry politicians. We still have democracy in this country and the majority decided that we left, deal with it. The decline of this country has been ongoing for decades and has nothing to do with our exit.
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Nuclear scientist my arse
 
hampshireblue said:
just typical. It's always someone else's fault. Explain just how you thought breaking away from our biggest trading market was going to improve yours/my/the average man in the street's standard of living. It couldn't and hasn't. So until you take just a bit of responsibility for the country being worse off, stop moaning about the mess, some of which you helped create.
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You, for a fact, do not have a clue about whether or not we would be better off had we remained in the EU, but you are of the opinion that we would have been - fair enough, the majority of the UK public thought otherwise. Covid would have had a significant impact. There are countries in the EU who are suffering the same or even worse than the UK.
You are, like everyone else entitled to an opinion but please don't keep coming on here saying we are worse off than had we remained because quite frankly you cannot know that. You should maybe be thankful that a majority voted to leave as had we remained we might have been in an even worse mess..... who knows? We all individual opinions.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
@Vic

responding to....


Now please grow up and put your toys back in your pram, else it's the naughty step for you.

Like I said, not very community spirited is it?
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See all the replies since and the daftness of expecting to give advice to someone who's stolen your job.

Next you'll be on the Israel thread wondering why Palestinians don't show settlers how to tend the vines on land they've stolen.
 
tweety said:
Boo hoo, I don't worship Farage but imo they deserve a chance looking at the track record of labour and conservative.
In my previous post I questioned the qualifications, experience and suitability of 3 cabinet ministers for their positions yet you go on a rant about my ability to make an informed choice.
I'll ask again when does one year of working in a care home make you suitable for a cabinet position?
Fuck off with your bridge.
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Yet a school leaver is qualified to be Reform's cabinet member for children's services in Leicestershire ....
 
Vic said:
See all the replies since and the daftness of expecting to give advice to someone who's stolen your job.

Next you'll be on the Israel thread wondering why Palestinians don't show settlers how to tend the vines on land they've stolen.
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Ahhh,,,, do I didn't start it then....?

You're being very silly again Vic.... learn to read the thread then try do some creative thinking and try to add a little value to the thread instead of trying, and failing, to score cheap points.
 
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If you strongly stick up for Reform just know that pretty much every few days a Reform candidate/counciler/MP will have made a racist remark/tweet etc and it will be like that forever - that alone should strongly put you off siding with this party, if it doesn’t then you have to look in the mirror.
 
MouldensChippy said:
The council borrowed, and bought an asset for £50 million. They sold it at £30 million.

The only people profiting were the first group who sold the asset, and the second group who took advantage of a knockdown (in distress) price.

The 114 was a theory, but there is some big reason that governments are willing to write off that cash, and it's not because they want it back to re-lend.

There is no profit for said council, just a loss of taxpayer funding. After all would you lend someone, let's say 50 grand, with a full contract in place that charges interest. Would you accept 30 grand back ?
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Ah, I see where you've misunderstood. As I said earlier, the council (Warrington) sold the property for what they paid for it. (See below.) No loss.

The 50m/30m difference is between what they borrowed and what they repaid to the lender. Same as Cherwell borrowed £25m and only repaid £10.5m.

That discount is exactly because the government wants to relend the money. They either had another 40 years getting 2% on a £50m loan (£40m interest) - or getting 5% on £30m (£60m). The extra half million a year interest can also be lent out. As I said, I don't know the exact figure but that's the principle behind it.

Vic said:
It's a debt the same as your mortgage. And your house is an asset at the same time.

It's been borrowed (from central government) either to lend on (at a higher interest rate) to housing associations to build homes, or to buy property (warehouses, supermarkets, a whole business park) and use the rents to stave off cuts that many councils have made. I saw one deal - I can't remember the exact figures - where they'd borrowed something like £50m from the government scheme, on long-term low interest rates, to buy a supermarket, had the rents off it to pay the interest and have an annual surplus to put in the kitty, then sold it a few years later for the same price, and only had to pay back £30m - because the government loan scheme reckoned it was worth a "discount" to get the money back to lend out to others at twice the interest rate.

There's been some odd stuff, like investing in their own bank, or in an energy company that failed (but even that may break even).

When the Tories started cutting grants to councils, Eric Pickles told councils to be "more commercial".
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BigJoe#1 said:
You, for a fact, do not have a clue about whether or not we would be better off had we remained in the EU, but you are of the opinion that we would have been - fair enough, the majority of the UK public thought otherwise. Covid would have had a significant impact. There are countries in the EU who are suffering the same or even worse than the UK.
You are, like everyone else entitled to an opinion but please don't keep coming on here saying we are worse off than had we remained because quite frankly you cannot know that. You should maybe be thankful that a majority voted to leave as had we remained we might have been in an even worse mess..... who knows? We all individual opinions.
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All we can go off is the way trade has fallen compared to how things were. Any figures are always open to question but they are, frankly, the best we have to go on, and more importantly the basis of how decisions are made.C19 did indeed have an impact, but so what, it came 4 years after the referendum and therefore is a null and void consideration as far as the Brexit vote was concerned. But, assuming the figures regarding C19 are correct, the effect of leaving is at least double that. I also struggle to see why you compare us to other countries in the EU. Again, so what if a few of the EU are performing worse than us. probably half the rest of the world are doing so and apparently, they are where we should be establishing new markets.

I'm sure we're all waiting for expert "opinion" that you can draw on to highlight to us all areas where the UK economy is better off. i won't hold my breath on that one.

I'm also sure that you would gain more credence on here if you admitted you voted to leave for other reasons but accepted that we are worse off as a result.
 
tweety said:
Wow, go dry your tears.
I had a number of reasons for voting for Brexit but the decider for me was the loss of sovereignty, I had no wish to become part of a European super state. The original concept of the common market was fine but it wasn't enough for the power hungry politicians. We still have democracy in this country and the majority decided that we left, deal with it. The decline of this country has been ongoing for decades and has nothing to do with our exit.
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No tears to dry. I'm fortunate. Retired, good pension, 6 holidays a year. I'm hardly affected except for restrictions on spending more time in the EU.

But coming and seeing people unable or unwilling to admit that they are actually a part of the very thing they are moaning about just pisses me off. If you can't see that being £100bn (an estimate not an opinion big Joe) a year worse off has added to the decline over the last few years then you're either really thick or naive or both.

You say the decline has been going on for decades. Since when do you estimate? The 80s, 90s? And what declines are you actually talking about that have most had an effect on you personally?

I just did a bit of research and when we were in the EU, the UK got what it wanted 95% of the time and abstained 3% therefore we had stuff imposed on us just 2% of the time. Examples of stuff we had imposed on us were EU roaming charges, making the consumer better off. EU261 compensation making the consumer better off and better food labelling highlighting potentially carcinogenic ingredients. That's just 3 examples of what you apparently weren't happy with but that we are now all benefitting from but if those laws had not been passed, large corporations would have continued to benefit, not the consumer.

Anyway, we are where we are. You enjoy getting the wrong Brexit, brought about by the very politicians that you, apparently want to actually give more power to!!

But remember, there were no winners.
 
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