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So it's £80bn of tax cuts while cutting interest on the national debt? I was going to say "Liz Truss on steroids" but a headline writer got there first.
 
inbetween said:
Partially because do you think that net zero can even be achieved? Net-zero also means that our total emissions won't increase but they won't decrease either. To impact climate change we need to decrease total emissions and how is that physically going to happen anytime soon regardless of the targets we set?

UK emissions have fallen but anybody could easily argue that all we have done is exported our emissions to another country so it hasn't actually gone down at all. All of our manufacturing for example is now done in China but are we buying less from China? It's the opposite, so unless China reduces its emissions or we buy and consume less then nothing changes.

I'm not arguing to burn the planet to the ground by the way, we just need to be realistic.

At this point I think any efforts to stop climate change are pointless because the world is growing rapidly and it's far outgrowing any efforts to halt climate change. We'd be far better off at this stage mitigating climate change. For example if there will be more floods then we should invest in more flood defences.

You only have to look at this graph, we need that graph to go downwards fast and preferably right this second now, but it isn't going to is it?

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So your alternative to net zero is …building a 5m flood wall around all 11,000 miles of UK coastline, finding some way of storing all the extra rain so we can ration it during the droughts, change our diet so it’s no longer based around wheat , root vegetables and meat because we won’t be able to farm them, spend most of our GDP making our infrastructure capable of severe winters and severe summers and the rest will probably be spent on defence because the rest of the world will get pretty war-y when there’s massive famine.


I dunno I think net zero is cheaper and easier personally.
 
domalino said:
So your alternative to net zero is …building a 5m flood wall around all 11,000 miles of UK coastline, finding some way of storing all the extra rain so we can ration it during the droughts, change our diet so it’s no longer based around wheat , root vegetables and meat because we won’t be able to farm them, spend most of our GDP making our infrastructure capable of severe winters and severe summers and the rest will probably be spent on defence because the rest of the world will get pretty war-y when there’s massive famine.


I dunno I think net zero is cheaper and easier personally.
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Could we use the same wall to harvest tidal power too?
 
domalino said:
So your alternative to net zero is …building a 5m flood wall around all 11,000 miles of UK coastline, finding some way of storing all the extra rain so we can ration it during the droughts, change our diet so it’s no longer based around wheat , root vegetables and meat because we won’t be able to farm them, spend most of our GDP making our infrastructure capable of severe winters and severe summers and the rest will probably be spent on defence because the rest of the world will get pretty war-y when there’s massive famine.


I dunno I think net zero is cheaper and easier personally.
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At this point we the UK can maximally improve the problem by 0.5% and that's if we go completely emission free and not net zero. Net zero guarantees that the problem stays the same and doesn't get worse! Much harsher actions are needed to actually reduce total emissions.

To do that we must ban cars, ban travel, ban meat, ban imports and ban consumption completely.

The irony is that typing this reply has contributed to the emissions that you're saying we should do something about. Maybe it's time to do our bit and ban the bluemoon forum for the environment too? :)

What a wonderful world it could be.... With the above in mind I'd rather live and die in ignorance.
 
inbetween said:
At this point we the UK can maximally improve the problem by 0.5% and that's if we go completely emission free and not net zero. Net zero guarantees that the problem stays the same and doesn't get worse! Much harsher actions are needed to actually reduce total emissions.

To do that we must ban cars, ban travel, ban meat, ban imports and ban consumption completely.

The irony is that typing this reply has contributed to the emissions that you're saying we should do something about. Maybe it's time to do our bit and ban the bluemoon forum for the environment too? :)

What a wonderful world it could be.... With the above in mind I'd rather live and die in ignorance.
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You could live a shorter hedonistic life if you'd like.
 
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