refs,what will it take?

[journolud]

Is this the same Gus Poyet who never said a word about Larssen's challenge - one of his own players?

Whilst I agree that the dinosaurs in the FA need to embrace technology (in all it's forms) FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME, in this case Karma was a real woman, wasn't she?

Quite right, a classic case of having to take the rough with the smooth. I'd have been embarrassed if Pellegrini had demanded an apology for Larssen not getting the red he so obviously deserved.

Refs make mistakes and should be accountable for them but the job might be a bit easier if players stopped debating every decision and stopped trying to hide behind refereeing decisions for their own shortcomings. When did a player ever apologise for missing an open net, misplacing a pass that led to a goal or playing generally shit on over £100,000 a week?

 

[quiet_riot]

so back to the original question then.

what will it take? because it can't go on like this.

Why not? It's always been this way. Only reason it's 'worse' now is because we have 100 'experts', pundits, journos and anyone with access to a keyboard putting their 2 pennies' worth in and pretending they know how hard/easy the job of a referee is.

it has always been that way but the game, and the rewards,pressure have changed completely.

But, essentially, it is the same GAME it ever was. Not the game's fault, and certainly not the ref's fault that $ky have brought about all this money, pressure and so on.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

for the 4th official to get involved.

following on from our game last week (larsson) and wes brown yesterday and god knows how many other absolute howlers is it not time for someone to insist on that 4th view. yesterday was a no brainer but even 50/50's can be judged from the line in a split second. this product called football and in particular the premier league is just too big and worth far too much money for the outcome to be decided by one referee. lets leave the obvious agenda out of it and assume one or two are honest, its not fair on them to get blasted when it goes tits. at the speed it's played at nowadays they need help. it's there for them yet we ignore it.

had I been poyet yesterday I would have taken my players off. someone somewhere has to make a stand.

bear in mind that like us last week the fans had paid a lot of money and travelled a long way for the game to be decided like that. I said last season I was easing up on aways purely for this reason. you take a day off , spend lots of money only to be dicked by the ref.

other fans will eventually think the same way

There are several things that could be introduced into football from other sports but I think the people who 'govern' football would die a thousand deaths if they had to import a brilliant idea from rugby or cricket.

No one should be sent off until the fourth official has reviewed the incident, no penalty should be awarded unless it has been reviewed, and no goal awarded unless it has been seen on video to have entered the net legally.

Too often we are seeing the results of games, and the outcomes of competitions that depend on what the referee has 'seen' rather than what actually happened.

It'll never change until we get a few folk in with 'younger' ideas and who are not afraid to add some vision to the governance of football.

 

[trevorcitytilidie]

Why not? It's always been this way. Only reason it's 'worse' now is because we have 100 'experts', pundits, journos and anyone with access to a keyboard putting their 2 pennies' worth in and pretending they know how hard/easy the job of a referee is.

it has always been that way but the game, and the rewards,pressure have changed completely.

But, essentially, it is the same GAME it ever was. Not the game's fault, and certainly not the ref's fault that $ky have brought about all this money, pressure and so on.

The problem is, it's not still essentially the game it was, with the endless changes to interpretation to the offside rule, professional fouls, players diving etc... and when the game was invented the match was officiated by a ref and 2 linesman, 140 years on it's still officiated by the same. I read an article in 1970 where Colin Bell was monitored during a game and ran about 7km, now your average midfielder can get through 10km (Garcia excluded), 140 years ago the players played at a much more sedate pace, so how we expect these three officials to keep up with the modern pace of the game, it's impossible.
So we either:
1, change nothing which means we have more and more incorrect decisions which we all like to debate on for days and days
2, introduce more officials maybe a ref in each half and four linesman this should cut down on incorrect decisions, less to debate about but could be confusing on the pitch, after all the introduction in Europe of the extra two assistants hasn't really worked.
3, video replays - maybe limited to one or two per team per game (very rarely more than 1 or 2 major incorrect decisions in a game) this way teams will only ask for video evidence sparingly as in Cricket.
Option 3 would hopefully cut out most incorrect decisions, but then what would we talk about on here or at work on a Monday morning?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

so back to the original question then.

what will it take? because it can't go on like this.

Why not? It's always been this way. Only reason it's 'worse' now is because we have 100 'experts', pundits, journos and anyone with access to a keyboard putting their 2 pennies' worth in and pretending they know how hard/easy the job of a referee is.

In tennis and rugby they have embraced technology to make the job easier for the referee and umpire, and I don't see anybody in those two sports complaining that it's all a load of bollox and spoils the essence of each game. It is fairer, better-matched to reflect what actually happens on the pitch. But we are watching football. Is there any other world sport that is run by a collection of brontosauruses, diplodocuses and general reptiles and lizards?

 

[Bill]

Yesterday at Cardiff was a prime example. Can that ref be anything other than corrupt? He gives the foul according to the rules but not the punishment. The 4th official should step in and send the player off.

What if Cardiff go down, losing their prem status by a point. Millions of pounds lost, players leaving, club staff like cleaners and ticket staff all reduced back a level.

All because of ONE man. Ridiculous.

 

[bluemoondays]

Yesterday at Cardiff was a prime example. Can that ref be anything other than corrupt? He gives the foul according to the rules but not the punishment. The 4th official should step in and send the player off.

What if Cardiff go down, losing their prem status by a point. Millions of pounds lost, players leaving, club staff like cleaners and ticket staff all reduced back a level.

All because of ONE man. Ridiculous.

Completely agree, been saying this for years now. There is no reason not too have the 4th official review every 'major' incident or catch off the ball incidents where the ref isn't looking.

The main argument, apart from the age old crap ones being "It's how my grandad played the game" (my dad had to head a soggy leather ball that probably weighed 5 pounds, doesn't mean it's a good idea in today's game) plus "It evens out over the season" (complete bollocks and just tries to justify cock-ups) seems to be how it will interrupt the flow of play. That is also complete bollox, every time one of these incidents happens there is at least 2-3 minutes of arguing and play acting (especially if a real mistake by the ref has been made) which could be used to review an incident properly and then make a correct decision based upon proper video replay technology.

 

[tidyman]

in the case of an increasing majority of them, take their fucking ugly mugs off the tv for a while!



They have a reasonably easy job....

Who would referee the games once you've demoted the majority of them?

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess you've never refereed a game at any level.

 

[Crouchinho]

Wes Brown decision was awful, surely the one on the sidelines can have a word in the ear piece in this day and age.

The Rooney one was so blatant, it's a red card all day long, it was a shocking decision. Rooney gets away with it because he's Rooney, people mention fire in the belly etc. That's how Scholes got away with so much because he had a reputation for being 'clumsy' or a 'typical Scholes tackle' to justify a yellow instead of red.

The ref during the merseyside derby probably wanted to appease the fans, it was wreckless and dangerous by Mierelas (sp) and even he knew he was lucky not to be sent off.

Refs do have a very difficult task, having been a ref myself in the past you find yourself ball watching, missing easy shit a few times, but these ones were blatantly obvious (last two in particular) and the ref has deliberately kept them on the pitch

 

[Bill]

Wes Brown decision was awful, surely the one on the sidelines can have a word in the ear piece in this day and age.

The Rooney one was so blatant, it's a red card all day long, it was a shocking decision. Rooney gets away with it because he's Rooney, people mention fire in the belly etc. That's how Scholes got away with so much because he had a reputation for being 'clumsy' or a 'typical Scholes tackle' to justify a yellow instead of red.

The ref during the merseyside derby probably wanted to appease the fans, it was wreckless and dangerous by Mierelas (sp) and even he knew he was lucky not to be sent off.

Refs do have a very difficult task, having been a ref myself in the past you find yourself ball watching, missing easy shit a few times, but these ones were blatantly obvious (last two in particular) and the ref has deliberately kept them on the pitch

compare rooney with barton when we played qpr. plain and simple favouritism.