bakerdave76
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Refusal to pay energy bills
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metalblue
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People start to see things differently when they realise that they themselves are being robbed...Massively. You are witnessing one of the biggest, if not THE biggest of wealth transfers ever. Being obedient has got us in this shit.
How are we being robbed? This is market economics and a conscious decision was made by the EU a couple of decades ago to base energy prices on spot prices rather than linked to oil prices as before - ie let the market decide the value of upstream costs based on supply and demand. This has saved us, as consumers, billions over that time. No one complained when that money was being transferred to us. The flip side of this decision is what we are seeing now - that we had unlimited risk exposure to that supply and demand. Of course it is painful for many but we are where we are.
It could be worse, we could be living in Ukraine wondering if tonight’s the night that cruise missile hits our home. What did you do for the war effort grandad? well lad, I refused to pay my gas bill ;)
Tuearts right boot
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Love the way BG are pushing the government to help out, or am I missing something. I wish I could run my business like that....make a shit load of profit out of a service that everyone needs and get HMG to bail everyone out. Brilliant.
-dabz-
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What's so special about Ukraine? China is threatening action because of Pelosi's visit to Taiwan and N. is making noises about using nukes at the mo or have you missed that? As for the subject of being robbed, it's just perspective and opinion. That's all.How are we being robbed? This is market economics and a conscious decision was made by the EU a couple of decades ago to base energy prices on spot prices rather than linked to oil prices as before - ie let the market decide the value of upstream costs based on supply and demand. This has saved us, as consumers, billions over that time. No one complained when that money was being transferred to us. The flip side of this decision is what we are seeing now - that we had unlimited risk exposure to that supply and demand. Of course it is painful for many but we are where we are.
It could be worse, we could be living in Ukraine wondering if tonight’s the night that cruise missile hits our home. What did you do for the war effort grandad? well lad, I refused to pay my gas bill ;)
Blue Llama
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Its also a quick way to end up with a pre pay meter.Cancelling your direct debit is not refusing to pay, it is just refusing to pay in advance. If enough people do it, all beginning on the same day, it will send a very strong signal.
Thank youSuppliers must refund you unless they have reasonable grounds. In your case I would remind them of their obligations, tell them how much you want, and ask them what reasonable grounds they are refusing to refund you - Before asking them to respond remind them that the call might be being recorded by them and they carry ostensible authority for the company. If you aren’t satisfied then complain in writing to them. Then complain to ofgem if you still aren’t satisfied with their response / they don’t respond.
metalblue
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What's so special about Ukraine? China is threatening action because of Pelosi's visit to Taiwan and N. is making noises about using nukes at the mo or have you missed that? As for the subject of being robbed, it's just perspective and opinion. That's all.
These astronomical prices are due to lack of refining capacity mate. Western governments policy has been to rely on cheap refining capacity from elsewhere and not build any resilience / spare capacity into our own refining capacity. Refineries don’t want to cover the cost of unused capacity and western governments refused to.
Once we imposed sanctions on Russia the west lost access to over 5 million barrels of refining capacity per day and had nothing to replace it with. In conjunction demand increased as the world came out of lockdown. It was already becoming a problem of supply and demand before Russia invaded but since then it’s become a perfect storm. Had we not imposed sanctions we wouldn’t be where we are today in terms of prices.
Blue Maverick
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I thought there were big problems with cavity wall insulation, damp etc isnt there supposed to be an air gap?I’m 943.47 in credit with British Gas, I pay 153 per month but live in an extremely energy efficient house, cavity wall and loft insulation. My bill was calculated when Mrs H was furloughed during Covid and also when we were using the electric fire which we don’t anymore (have the Gas CH on).
I rang British Gas for a refund, they’re refusing to offer me more than 340. Now I know the bills will go up in Winter when these charlatans increase the price of energy but does anyone know what my legal stance is here? I was wanting around 600 back leaving just shy of 350 ad a credit.
Good luck installing all of them if 2 million households cancel at the same time.Its also a quick way to end up with a pre pay meter.
No it wouldn't work.
They advertise their pricing before you use the product.
If you don't want to pay the price then don't use the product.
If you use it and then don't pay then it's stealing.
normally i would agree, but only in a free market.
the energy "industry" is a government sanctioned cartel