Elbow beards
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Are you the Head of some cult? Helter skelter ring any bells?
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Matty
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Not saying that I can 'prove this but as something to enquire into maybe? A hypothesis
What if the Big Bang happened within what could be called 'awareness.' Being within this awareness, everything that was 'born' of this Big Bang is also actually made from the essence of awareness. So we might then have awareness that is still is in its state 'before' the Big Bang (maybe call this the Unmanifested) yet also also this awareness in forms as made 'after' the Big Bang (maybe call this the manifested).
Now in this model, would it be possible to question whether the intellectual mind could possibly be that which contains all of awareness or is it more likely that the intellectual mind is like a filter for this awareness, that divides things into a 'this' versus 'that' s (some might call this polarity) so as to try and understand?
In this way, could the intellect ever really understand the whole of awareness given that its nature might be to divide awareness into this and that? I'm not so sure...Maybe something closer to understanding would involve letting go of the intellect and beginning to feel/tune into* the awareness 'before the intellect (call this the intuitive if you want) then this can join and play with the logic of mind - this joining that might then be called the truly rational mind.
A final question might be : Is it possible that the intellect that needs proof of awareness might eventually be found to be that which gets in the way of knowing awareness - that as one lets go of the need to prove awareness, then awareness will reveal itself to, and through, us in our own unique way?
And this is only one way of looking at these questions. Not THE way and certainly not 'if you don't agree with what I wrote then you will surely go to hell' way. either Just a way, is all. Maybe not the 'best' one. Or even particularly one I might choose to use often...
*Some might say 'tuning into' is what prayer is really for but who knows?
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea
Matty
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I'm sure this has probably been mentioned at some point in the last 80 odd pages but the "what was there before the big bang" question is flawed in concept.
It is a known scientific fact that the mass of a body has an effect on the passing of time. A planet is a huge celestial object, and it's mass actually warps time. An example of the effect of this is that the mass of the Earth actually makes time run slightly slower for a human on Earth's surface than a satellite in orbit. Equally much smaller items will still have an effect on the passage of time, the difference is far too small to be noticeable, however time will pass more slowly for someone standing next to a large rock than it does for a person standing alone out in the open with nothing around them. The singularity that became the universe due to the "big bang" actually consisted of the entire mass currently present in the universe, the effect of this being to bring time to a standstill. So, time as we know it didn't exist until the big bang, so what was there "before" the big bang is a question which doesn't make sense. Einstein's theory of relativity says as much.
It is a known scientific fact that the mass of a body has an effect on the passing of time. A planet is a huge celestial object, and it's mass actually warps time. An example of the effect of this is that the mass of the Earth actually makes time run slightly slower for a human on Earth's surface than a satellite in orbit. Equally much smaller items will still have an effect on the passage of time, the difference is far too small to be noticeable, however time will pass more slowly for someone standing next to a large rock than it does for a person standing alone out in the open with nothing around them. The singularity that became the universe due to the "big bang" actually consisted of the entire mass currently present in the universe, the effect of this being to bring time to a standstill. So, time as we know it didn't exist until the big bang, so what was there "before" the big bang is a question which doesn't make sense. Einstein's theory of relativity says as much.
More wanting to be free of the cult of the intellectualised head - that cult of which you appear to be a fully paid up member. AndAre you the Head of some cult? Helter skelter ring any bells?
what kinds of behaviours are cultists known for, if someone dare question there 'beloved' fraternity? Someone speaking of the Heart?
Get the pitchforks out!!
Agree that 'before' doesn't make sense - the limitations of language aren't so helpful here...especially if one agrees that language is 'of' time. Hence the use of 'before' not the right word but might point in the right kind of direction. So, 'before' time...might come try to use the words 'timeless' and/or 'eternal' to point to this?I'm sure this has probably been mentioned at some point in the last 80 odd pages but the "what was there before the big bang" question is flawed in concept.
It is a known scientific fact that the mass of a body has an effect on the passing of time. A planet is a huge celestial object, and it's mass actually warps time. An example of the effect of this is that the mass of the Earth actually makes time run slightly slower for a human on Earth's surface than a satellite in orbit. Equally much smaller items will still have an effect on the passage of time, the difference is far too small to be noticeable, however time will pass more slowly for someone standing next to a large rock than it does for a person standing alone out in the open with nothing around them. The singularity that became the universe due to the "big bang" actually consisted of the entire mass currently present in the universe, the effect of this being to bring time to a standstill. So, time as we know it didn't exist until the big bang, so what was there "before" the big bang is a question which doesn't make sense. Einstein's theory of relativity says as much.
The question what everyone fails on ‘what happened before the Big Bang ?’ Presumably as we do not have the affinitive answer then it must be God ? In your opinion.
Just like hundreds of years ago, no one knew why there was a Sun in the sky that went up and down ... so they presumed it must of been God.
Couldn’t explain why rain fell. So it must of been God. So on and so on.
God initiated the Big Bang according to the Scriptures.
“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Qur'an 21:30)
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He's got blisters on his fingersAre you the Head of some cult? Helter skelter ring any bells?
Matty
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Agree that 'before' doesn't make sense - the limitations of language aren't so helpful here...especially if one agrees that language is 'of' time. Hence the use of 'before' not the right word but might point in the right kind of direction. So, 'before' time...might come try to use the words 'timeless' and/or 'eternal' to point to this?
Labelling it isn't the issue. Time didn't exist until the big bang. The question "what was there before the big bang" is a trick question thrown out to get the answer "we don't know", which then leads to a deity in the minds of those who posed the question. Science doesn't have all the answers. A lack of knowledge doesn't equate to attributing a phenomenon to a higher being.
Enjoy the Ayahuasca - the Vine of Death. Am sure she will appreciate your respect...He's got blisters on his fingers