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paulsimpson said:
What you believe in is absolute raving bonkers
You're wrong in your science .
In September 2012, the Russian Novosibirsk Zoo announced the birth of a liliger. The cub was named Kiara, and was born to an 8-year-old female liger, Zita and a male African lion, Sam. On May 16, 2013, the same couple produced three more female liligers: Luna, Sandra, and Eva." Wikipedia
simply Google liliger

The world’s biggest cat is the liger, the offspring of a male lion and female tiger. Ligers were previously thought to be sterile but there have been at least ten documented cases since 2012 where female ligers have successfully mated with lions to produce what are known as Liligers . Of the ten documented liliger occurrences, only one is a male.
There are 39 living cat species in the world. Many cats are able to interbreed (hybridize) with other species of cats, as in the case of tigers and lions. And also, on occasion, they can interbreed with cats of another genus—sometimes even another subfamily.And DNA sequencing has now enabled scientists to set all extant cat species into seven major lineages. Notably, some cat species are able to breed across these lineages while being unable to breed with other species in the same lineage.
Genesis 1 tells us that living things only reproduce " according to their kind /s " . This is mentioned 10 times. It is a simple but factual account of speciation emanating from the original kinds i.e. in this case the Cat kind. The kind has all information for future speciation available to it. If two cat populations are reproductively compatible, they should be called the same biological species. The fact that these cats are generally able to interbreed across higher categories and even the different DNA lineage categories strongly indicates that all can come from one ancestral feline kind on board the Ark.
The process of speciation, where one breeding population splits into two new ones, has not only been observed to take place, but does so very rapidly, in just a few generations. So this in a sense fulfils a ‘prediction’ for a Genesis creation model.
And another thing ,new species have been seen to arise with no evidence of any new genetic information having appeared (which is what would be required for microbe-to-man evolution. ). All the information within the daughter populations is present in the parent population.
With evolution all you get is one Tree of supposed life with every single organism related, having emerged from some "micro molecule "from nowhere , for no reason , it just happened . So the story goes anyway. Its one elaborate hoax. Yes things change, but dogs remain dogs , cats remain cats, horses remain horses but to say a microbe can change into a human over millions of years when a microbe has not got the information available,is nonsense. No one has seen a dog come from a non dog.Its delusional and it is actually being promoted in every institution across the land.

With creation you get many trees of life representing each kind - dogs ,cats, horses etc This is scientific. And only a supreme being, God, can create the kinds of organisms. Why? Because all the complex parts of an organism have to be present all at once for it to work.
In one sense small’ v ‘large’ changes, distract from the key issue of information. That is, particles-to-people evolution requires changes that increase genetic information (e.g., specifications for manufacturing nerves, muscle, bone, etc.), but all we observe is sorting and, overwhelmingly, loss of information. We are hardpressed to find examples of even ‘micro’ increases in information, although these changes should be frequent if evolution were true.
The " kinds" represent the complexities of living things which have to be present all at once in order for speciation to occur. But evolutionists are bonkers for thinking that a little bit of change means bacteria turn into people.
There are no gradations from particles to people. Show us them since you think you know this kind of change occurs , the whole chain !
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I think we are all indebted to Paul Simpson for clearly stating what needed to be said.

Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.
 
paulsimpson said:
What you believe in is absolute raving bonkers
You're wrong in your science .
In September 2012, the Russian Novosibirsk Zoo announced the birth of a liliger. The cub was named Kiara, and was born to an 8-year-old female liger, Zita and a male African lion, Sam. On May 16, 2013, the same couple produced three more female liligers: Luna, Sandra, and Eva." Wikipedia
simply Google liliger

The world’s biggest cat is the liger, the offspring of a male lion and female tiger. Ligers were previously thought to be sterile but there have been at least ten documented cases since 2012 where female ligers have successfully mated with lions to produce what are known as Liligers . Of the ten documented liliger occurrences, only one is a male.
There are 39 living cat species in the world. Many cats are able to interbreed (hybridize) with other species of cats, as in the case of tigers and lions. And also, on occasion, they can interbreed with cats of another genus—sometimes even another subfamily.And DNA sequencing has now enabled scientists to set all extant cat species into seven major lineages. Notably, some cat species are able to breed across these lineages while being unable to breed with other species in the same lineage.
Genesis 1 tells us that living things only reproduce " according to their kind /s " . This is mentioned 10 times. It is a simple but factual account of speciation emanating from the original kinds i.e. in this case the Cat kind. The kind has all information for future speciation available to it. If two cat populations are reproductively compatible, they should be called the same biological species. The fact that these cats are generally able to interbreed across higher categories and even the different DNA lineage categories strongly indicates that all can come from one ancestral feline kind on board the Ark.
The process of speciation, where one breeding population splits into two new ones, has not only been observed to take place, but does so very rapidly, in just a few generations. So this in a sense fulfils a ‘prediction’ for a Genesis creation model.
And another thing ,new species have been seen to arise with no evidence of any new genetic information having appeared (which is what would be required for microbe-to-man evolution. ). All the information within the daughter populations is present in the parent population.
With evolution all you get is one Tree of supposed life with every single organism related, having emerged from some "micro molecule "from nowhere , for no reason , it just happened . So the story goes anyway. Its one elaborate hoax. Yes things change, but dogs remain dogs , cats remain cats, horses remain horses but to say a microbe can change into a human over millions of years when a microbe has not got the information available,is nonsense. No one has seen a dog come from a non dog.Its delusional and it is actually being promoted in every institution across the land.

With creation you get many trees of life representing each kind - dogs ,cats, horses etc This is scientific. And only a supreme being, God, can create the kinds of organisms. Why? Because all the complex parts of an organism have to be present all at once for it to work.
In one sense small’ v ‘large’ changes, distract from the key issue of information. That is, particles-to-people evolution requires changes that increase genetic information (e.g., specifications for manufacturing nerves, muscle, bone, etc.), but all we observe is sorting and, overwhelmingly, loss of information. We are hardpressed to find examples of even ‘micro’ increases in information, although these changes should be frequent if evolution were true.
The " kinds" represent the complexities of living things which have to be present all at once in order for speciation to occur. But evolutionists are bonkers for thinking that a little bit of change means bacteria turn into people.
There are no gradations from particles to people. Show us them since you think you know this kind of change occurs , the whole chain !
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"Your'e wrong in your science".

You're wrong on your reading comprehension.

Fode said MALE ligers can't reproduce.
You provided details of female ligers,which can reproduce with lions.

What is it with religious people cherry picking stuff they think,supports their flimsy case.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
There’s no evidence that trolls ever existed. They’re mythical creatures that aren’t mentioned in the bible. Noah never had them on his boat.
One area where science and religion actually agree.
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Have you not seen this film:
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paulsimpson said:
With evolution all you get is one Tree of supposed life with every single organism related, having emerged from some "micro molecule "from nowhere , for no reason , it just happened . So the story goes anyway. Its one elaborate hoax. Yes things change, but dogs remain dogs , cats remain cats, horses remain horses but to say a microbe can change into a human over millions of years when a microbe has not got the information available,is nonsense. No one has seen a dog come from a non dog.Its delusional and it is actually being promoted in every institution across the land.

With creation you get many trees of life representing each kind - dogs ,cats, horses etc This is scientific. And only a supreme being, God, can create the kinds of organisms. Why? Because all the complex parts of an organism have to be present all at once for it to work.
In one sense small’ v ‘large’ changes, distract from the key issue of information. That is, particles-to-people evolution requires changes that increase genetic information (e.g., specifications for manufacturing nerves, muscle, bone, etc.), but all we observe is sorting and, overwhelmingly, loss of information. We are hardpressed to find examples of even ‘micro’ increases in information, although these changes should be frequent if evolution were true.
The " kinds" represent the complexities of living things which have to be present all at once in order for speciation to occur. But evolutionists are bonkers for thinking that a little bit of change means bacteria turn into people.
There are no gradations from particles to people. Show us them since you think you know this kind of change occurs , the whole chain !
Click to expand...
I’ve already explained that life did not just come from nowhere.

It was the flow of excess charged particles called protons that came from vents pumping out heated alkaline fresh water into cooler more acidic salt sea water that created electrical charges, chemical reactions and energy that formed molecules called cells.

It’s like when you scratch a match across a rough surface. There’s no flame in either the match or the rough surface, but the chemical reaction and the energy released from friction creates a spark and thus a flame. The flame doesn’t just come from nowhere, and neither did life.

We are yet to form the full chain. We’ve only been researching these things for a few hundred years and mapping billions of years of evolution is not something that you can just click your fingers and find. There are missing links to the chain all over the place and it could never be fully mapped, but at least we’re trying and not just saying “some spaghetti armed jelly man from behind the Moon did it all in 6 days”.

However, in a more specific time that palaeontologists have been researching, there is evidence of a link between the emergence of larger brained hominids and the occurrences of natural disasters creating severe and immediate climate change in North-East Africa. Every time scientists find and date early human bones, they see that where it appears that the brain volume of these early humans was ever larger it coincided with an event that changed the climate rapidly. Humans get more intelligent when faced with rapid onset climate catastrophes in order to adapt and survive, brain sizes increase through generations and within time you have a different species.
 
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paulsimpson said:
What you believe in is absolute raving bonkers
You're wrong in your science .
In September 2012, the Russian Novosibirsk Zoo announced the birth of a liliger. The cub was named Kiara, and was born to an 8-year-old female liger, Zita and a male African lion, Sam. On May 16, 2013, the same couple produced three more female liligers: Luna, Sandra, and Eva." Wikipedia
simply Google liliger

The world’s biggest cat is the liger, the offspring of a male lion and female tiger. Ligers were previously thought to be sterile but there have been at least ten documented cases since 2012 where female ligers have successfully mated with lions to produce what are known as Liligers . Of the ten documented liliger occurrences, only one is a male.
There are 39 living cat species in the world. Many cats are able to interbreed (hybridize) with other species of cats, as in the case of tigers and lions. And also, on occasion, they can interbreed with cats of another genus—sometimes even another subfamily.And DNA sequencing has now enabled scientists to set all extant cat species into seven major lineages. Notably, some cat species are able to breed across these lineages while being unable to breed with other species in the same lineage.
Genesis 1 tells us that living things only reproduce " according to their kind /s " . This is mentioned 10 times. It is a simple but factual account of speciation emanating from the original kinds i.e. in this case the Cat kind. The kind has all information for future speciation available to it. If two cat populations are reproductively compatible, they should be called the same biological species. The fact that these cats are generally able to interbreed across higher categories and even the different DNA lineage categories strongly indicates that all can come from one ancestral feline kind on board the Ark.
The process of speciation, where one breeding population splits into two new ones, has not only been observed to take place, but does so very rapidly, in just a few generations. So this in a sense fulfils a ‘prediction’ for a Genesis creation model.
And another thing ,new species have been seen to arise with no evidence of any new genetic information having appeared (which is what would be required for microbe-to-man evolution. ). All the information within the daughter populations is present in the parent population.
With evolution all you get is one Tree of supposed life with every single organism related, having emerged from some "micro molecule "from nowhere , for no reason , it just happened . So the story goes anyway. Its one elaborate hoax. Yes things change, but dogs remain dogs , cats remain cats, horses remain horses but to say a microbe can change into a human over millions of years when a microbe has not got the information available,is nonsense. No one has seen a dog come from a non dog.Its delusional and it is actually being promoted in every institution across the land.

With creation you get many trees of life representing each kind - dogs ,cats, horses etc This is scientific. And only a supreme being, God, can create the kinds of organisms. Why? Because all the complex parts of an organism have to be present all at once for it to work.
In one sense small’ v ‘large’ changes, distract from the key issue of information. That is, particles-to-people evolution requires changes that increase genetic information (e.g., specifications for manufacturing nerves, muscle, bone, etc.), but all we observe is sorting and, overwhelmingly, loss of information. We are hardpressed to find examples of even ‘micro’ increases in information, although these changes should be frequent if evolution were true.
The " kinds" represent the complexities of living things which have to be present all at once in order for speciation to occur. But evolutionists are bonkers for thinking that a little bit of change means bacteria turn into people.
There are no gradations from particles to people. Show us them since you think you know this kind of change occurs , the whole chain !
Click to expand...

You're an idiot.

I told you that male ligers were infertile and you're response is that female ligers can be bred back with lions. Whats the end result of that?

Offspring that more closely resembles a lion with each generation of breeding.

What's the point of hybridization in the first place?

Even the female members of the hybrid animals are less fertile than females of the species that contributed to them.

What about equines?

Donkeys and Horses can produce Mules and Hinnies but both hybrids are completely infertile. Save 1 in a million exceptions where a female mule has given birth to a foal.


It would help if you read more than just one book in your life.

You don't have the mental capacity to understand what evolution is.
 
paulsimpsons posts are the religious equivalent of putting a room full of monkeys in a room full of typewriters scenario aren’t they.. haha! Fuckinell!
 
paulsimpson said:
What you believe in is absolute raving bonkers
You're wrong in your science .
In September 2012, the Russian Novosibirsk Zoo announced the birth of a liliger. The cub was named Kiara, and was born to an 8-year-old female liger, Zita and a male African lion, Sam. On May 16, 2013, the same couple produced three more female liligers: Luna, Sandra, and Eva." Wikipedia
simply Google liliger

The world’s biggest cat is the liger, the offspring of a male lion and female tiger. Ligers were previously thought to be sterile but there have been at least ten documented cases since 2012 where female ligers have successfully mated with lions to produce what are known as Liligers . Of the ten documented liliger occurrences, only one is a male.
There are 39 living cat species in the world. Many cats are able to interbreed (hybridize) with other species of cats, as in the case of tigers and lions. And also, on occasion, they can interbreed with cats of another genus—sometimes even another subfamily.And DNA sequencing has now enabled scientists to set all extant cat species into seven major lineages. Notably, some cat species are able to breed across these lineages while being unable to breed with other species in the same lineage.
Genesis 1 tells us that living things only reproduce " according to their kind /s " . This is mentioned 10 times. It is a simple but factual account of speciation emanating from the original kinds i.e. in this case the Cat kind. The kind has all information for future speciation available to it. If two cat populations are reproductively compatible, they should be called the same biological species. The fact that these cats are generally able to interbreed across higher categories and even the different DNA lineage categories strongly indicates that all can come from one ancestral feline kind on board the Ark.
The process of speciation, where one breeding population splits into two new ones, has not only been observed to take place, but does so very rapidly, in just a few generations. So this in a sense fulfils a ‘prediction’ for a Genesis creation model.
And another thing ,new species have been seen to arise with no evidence of any new genetic information having appeared (which is what would be required for microbe-to-man evolution. ). All the information within the daughter populations is present in the parent population.
With evolution all you get is one Tree of supposed life with every single organism related, having emerged from some "micro molecule "from nowhere , for no reason , it just happened . So the story goes anyway. Its one elaborate hoax. Yes things change, but dogs remain dogs , cats remain cats, horses remain horses but to say a microbe can change into a human over millions of years when a microbe has not got the information available,is nonsense. No one has seen a dog come from a non dog.Its delusional and it is actually being promoted in every institution across the land.

With creation you get many trees of life representing each kind - dogs ,cats, horses etc This is scientific. And only a supreme being, God, can create the kinds of organisms. Why? Because all the complex parts of an organism have to be present all at once for it to work.
In one sense small’ v ‘large’ changes, distract from the key issue of information. That is, particles-to-people evolution requires changes that increase genetic information (e.g., specifications for manufacturing nerves, muscle, bone, etc.), but all we observe is sorting and, overwhelmingly, loss of information. We are hardpressed to find examples of even ‘micro’ increases in information, although these changes should be frequent if evolution were true.
The " kinds" represent the complexities of living things which have to be present all at once in order for speciation to occur. But evolutionists are bonkers for thinking that a little bit of change means bacteria turn into people.
There are no gradations from particles to people. Show us them since you think you know this kind of change occurs , the whole chain !
Click to expand...
how do you know this?
 
Blue Mist said:
In defence of Paul Simpson, first he is a Blue, second, this is a thread about what he believes. He is not demanding you believe it as well. The only religious people I object to are the ones that try and convert me and/or demand I do exactly what they say. He hasn't.
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I long since gave up giving people the benefit of the doubt because they are blues - well, since I signed up to this forum and realised that our supporter base has its fair share of lunatics.
Whilst it’s admirable the stance you take I think people who believe in extremities such as taking the bible literally are very dangerous individuals.
I object to what he has to say because it’s fucking mental.
 
Phil1 said:
I long since gave up giving people the benefit of the doubt because they are blues - well, since I signed up to this forum and realised that our supporter base has its fair share of lunatics.
Whilst it’s admirable the stance you take I think people who believe in extremities such as taking the bible literally are very dangerous individuals.
I object to what he has to say because it’s fucking mental.
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I seriously doubt Christians in Europe are dangerous or extremists. This sort of rhetoric does the debate no good.
 
Octavian said:
I seriously doubt Christians in Europe are dangerous or extremists. This sort of rhetoric does the debate no good.
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That’s fine, you don’t have to think the same as me. Probably lucky you don’t, my mind is a strange old thing.
 
Blue Mist said:
In defence of Paul Simpson, first he is a Blue, second, this is a thread about what he believes. He is not demanding you believe it as well. The only religious people I object to are the ones that try and convert me and/or demand I do exactly what they say. He hasn't.
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These threads always make me smile - the religion of atheism has its own band of hard core missionaries as zealous in their need to convert others to their view as any other fundamentalists.
So long as I get Xmas pudding tomorrow and a galaxy egg at Easter it's all good
 
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