Repercussions - From the PL, FA, UEFA and within the Club

[jimmygrimblesboots]

The only penalties the twelve clubs will recieve will be financial and that will probably be disputed and taken all the way to CAS to see UEFA have their pants taken down again , as for the Premier league there will not be any points deduction and due to the finances of football at the moment any fine will be moderate. As much as the fourteen nay-sayers are livid about the six clubs , a slap on the wrists type of fine is the best they can hope for and it certainly will not affect our transfer policy over the summer.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

It doesn't have to be 50+1. If fans just had 25+1, it would be enough to stop a special resolution being passed. Or some sort of 'Golden Share' that ensured a say or veto over key decisions.

But it needs more than that. These issues have arisen because football became a financial arms race. The only way to win it was to spend more and more. Look how much money we needed to spend to get a regular top 4 spot. United haven't even managed a regular top 4 spot with all their spending.

An effective version of FFP, not the abortion we have now, is needed. As I said, I'd go for the NFL model. The PL already negotiates a central TV deal so why not kit deals and major sponsors as well. Probably get more doing it that way than the 20 clubs doing it individually. It's proven that collective bargaining is more effective.

Then, like the NFL, agree that a certain percentage of the take is going to the players and apply a hard cap, which is the same for each club. Let's say that's 80% of the central revenue, with the PL keeping the other 20%, most of which goes to the grassroots. The TV deal alone is worth £5bn over 3 years and I reckon you could easily treble or even quadruple that over the same period with sponsorships and kit. That's something like £6bn a year, split 80/20 so giving s £240m to each club per annum, with a wage cap of say £180m.

Then add on tickets and any local commercial deals, revenue from use of the stadium etc and that's probably something like £400m total revenue for the bigger clubs, of which only £180m is going in player wages and say, £80m in other expenses. That's £140m profit a year and a much more competitive league.

And then there's CL money but you don't need that just to stand still, as at present. It's the icing on the cake and not a financial disaster if you don't get it. Those top 4 clubs could be turning in profits of £200m or more.

Great ideas @Prestwich_Blue !

 

[ctwrd]

It doesn't have to be 50+1. If fans just had 25+1, it would be enough to stop a special resolution being passed. Or some sort of 'Golden Share' that ensured a say or veto over key decisions.

But it needs more than that. These issues have arisen because football became a financial arms race. The only way to win it was to spend more and more. Look how much money we needed to spend to get a regular top 4 spot. United haven't even managed a regular top 4 spot with all their spending.

An effective version of FFP, not the abortion we have now, is needed. As I said, I'd go for the NFL model. The PL already negotiates a central TV deal so why not kit deals and major sponsors as well. Probably get more doing it that way than the 20 clubs doing it individually. It's proven that collective bargaining is more effective.

Then, like the NFL, agree that a certain percentage of the take is going to the players and apply a hard cap, which is the same for each club. Let's say that's 80% of the central revenue, with the PL keeping the other 20%, most of which goes to the grassroots. The TV deal alone is worth £5bn over 3 years and I reckon you could easily treble or even quadruple that over the same period with sponsorships and kit. That's something like £6bn a year, split 80/20 so giving s £240m to each club per annum, with a wage cap of say £180m.

Then add on tickets and any local commercial deals, revenue from use of the stadium etc and that's probably something like £400m total revenue for the bigger clubs, of which only £180m is going in player wages and say, £80m in other expenses. That's £140m profit a year and a much more competitive league.

And then there's CL money but you don't need that just to stand still, as at present. It's the icing on the cake and not a financial disaster if you don't get it. Those top 4 clubs could be turning in profits of £200m or more.

Good ideas for levelling up the premier league but wouldn’t that lead to the rest of the league getting stronger and therefore further away from the lower leagues.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Everton would of been straight in there if they were invited.

But we would be saying the clubs should be punished heavily if we’d not been invited.

 

[blueparrot]

But we would be saying the clubs should be punished heavily if we’d not been invited.

We may have been saying we’d like to have seen them punished. I still wouldn’t have been able to see either how they could beor what punishment would possibly punish the owners but not hurt the club, staff players or fans. So no If I was being honest I wouldn’t want them punished or us and doubt anyone really will be. Except when top jobs are handed out for a while.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

What's the answer then CHB?

Every fan wants their team to make the big money signings (big wages go with that) but are appalled when money in any context is mentioned in relation to football.

People need to grow up, football is big business so attracts people and businesses from that ilk to generate more money. I'm not thrilled with it but nothing you can do, if you dont like it find another hobby.

Non league clubs go bust because they have over spent! Living within your means does not apply to football clubs at any level.

Football isn’t big business. It just pays big business wages. Football is the epitome of fur coat and no knickers.

Football clubs are spending 50% of their income on wages. And 20% on transfer fees. Football is going to eat itself soon because of this. Football clubs act like they’re these big professional businesses but barely make any money.

There needs to be some sort of revolution but it’s not to save a handful of clubs with a load of debt, it has to come from the other end and have caps on wages and transfer fees. Make football about how well coached you are and how well you play, not about how much money you have or how much debt you can get in compared to everyone else.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Good ideas for levelling up the premier league but wouldn’t that lead to the rest of the league getting stronger and therefore further away from the lower leagues.

Not necessarily. Some of that PL money goes to the lower leagues, plus the EFL do the same thing.

But I've said before that the EFL in its current form is unsustainable in my opinion. It should be two leagues of 18 teams per league, probably regional, with the winner of each league gaining automatic promotion and the runners-up going into a play-off for the third place.

Parachute payments then become a thing of the past, as the EFL will have its own rules about distribution of income and salary caps. Player contracts would also need legally binding clauses about wage reductions in the event of relegation, in order to meet the reduced cap.

 

[SilverFox2]

This sort of stuff makes me weep. Just because we (we being football fans of all clubs) won a battle with ESL, there is going to be a war. Anybody who thinks this is over, and I’m not talking about halfwits talking about sanctions from bodies that haven’t been wronged, is sadly mistaken. As has been mentioned Project Big Picture was a matter of months ago. Unless the government, UEFA, broadcasters and fans get their act together we will lose the war. Every time 14 clubs meet with The Premier League to demand CEO’s resign, or get points punishment, every time a Jermaine Jenas or Bryan Swanson spouts their bile, another Big Picture or ESL gets closer.

completley agree with what you’ve posted mate.

we need the government to step up here, as they have the power the change this and give fans proper representation.

I mentioned in previous posts we 100% need a proper supporter trust like the spirit of shankly. Maybe we could combine city matters, 1894 and the official supporters club. This is a time where we need to come together, as we have the influence. If we protest and get organised we can stop things like the super league or rising ticket prices

The Government is financially broke RE its covid support of most businesses and its employees.

I remember Mr Brown raiding the so called "safe" pensions area of the stock exchange overnight effectively stealing off private pension funds many millions of pounds.

Perhaps EW or anyone else dealing at Gov level should beware of attracting too much attention?

 

[ysmsa]

Football isn’t big business. It just pays big business wages. Football is the epitome of fur coat and no knickers.

Football clubs are spending 66% of their income on wages. And 15% on transfer fees. Football is going to eat itself soon because of this. Football clubs act like they’re these big professional businesses but barely make any money.

There needs to be some sort of revolution but it’s not to save a handful of clubs with a load of debt, it has to come from the other end and have caps on wages and transfer fees.

Financially it is, the money generated from tv deals and sponsorship has skewed things massively.

People around the world cant get enough, problem is where does the money go?

No way I have any sort of answer but I think it bizarre that players which are now seen as entertainers as well as sportsmen, (they are paid as a footballer and paid as a professional entertainer performing in front of a paying audience if you know what I mean) but, during Covid playing behind closed doors they have still commanded full pay due to how players contracts are written.

An example I can think of is say a band that performs to sell out stadium crowds for concerts and make millions has not been able to do this over the last year.

Footballers playing in an empty ground are still getting full pay.

Its so hard but I think football could have made a case for reducing wages during this unique period.

 

[Protein Junkie]

Want to make the Champions league more exciting - it isnt more games, it isnt more big teams. Every match must mean something, success or failure.

That means a knockout competition, win or lose over two legs and every match means something. The problem is for the big clubs that means no guarantee of income, a bad game early on and no revenue.

Totally agree with this.
No more coefficients, istree clubs etc make it a straight knock out.
As for money then couldn’t they pay out the bulk solely on qualifying alone.
then the CL actually becomes a football tournament with a trophy as the main aim.