richard dunnie, micah richards, michael ball shame on you.

[moomba]

Vassell, Ball, Mills, Fernandes, Ched, Hamman are all Championship players IMO. None are good enough for this league anymore.

Why is Ball getting selected ahead of Garrido? Why is Vass getting selected ahead of anyone? Why is Mills even being mentioned?

Is our squad worse than Hulls? Or West Hams? Or Boltons? Or Wigans?

Is our squad worse than Brighton or Forest?

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Very disappointing some of the players' performances yesterday, they looked like they couldn't give a fuck, but the players we've got are much better than what they're showing and at the end of the day it boils down to the manager

 

[EVIL]

Stick with Hughes, its this mass of championship-quality players that should accept the bulk of the responsibility, not him.

A mass of championship quality players that were good enough to finish 9th last season before Robinho, SWP and Kompany were added to the squad.

You make my point for me Moomba. And the same nucleus that have failed themselves consistently for the WHOLE of 2008, overlapping two seasons, with two high quality international managers. If it were not for the decent start of 2007/8 under Sven then this squad in the main nearly took us down. Richards, Dunne, Ball, Elano, Fernandes, Hamaan, Vassell, Benjani - are not Hughes' players, and at the same time not good enough at this level. Let us monitor where they end up and how they perform, when they are eventually moved on.

 

[moomba]

You make my point for me Moomba. And the same nucleus that have failed themselves consistently for the WHOLE of 2008, overlapping two seasons, with two high quality international managers. If it were not for the decent start of 2007/8 under Sven then this squad in the main nearly took us down. Richards, Dunne, Ball, Elano, Fernandes, Hamaan, Vassell, Benjani - are not Hughes' players, and at the same time not good enough at this level. Let us monitor where they end up and how they perform, when they are eventually moved on.

But we did have a decent start to 2007/08 and we did finish 9th over the course of the season. With the players that are being written off as championship calibre.

 

[svennis pennis]

Vassell, Ball, Mills, Fernandes, Ched, Hamman are all Championship players IMO. None are good enough for this league anymore.

Why is Ball getting selected ahead of Garrido? Why is Vass getting selected ahead of anyone? Why is Mills even being mentioned?

Is our squad worse than Hulls? Or West Hams? Or Boltons? Or Wigans?

Is our squad worse than Brighton or Forest?

We are thin on the ground. Vass will now play as SWP is out. Derby decided against making abid for him last season.

Ball is awful. Come on, you know that. I am not Hughes, I have no idea why he is selected, He wont be now as we have Bridge, thank god.

On paper no our squad is not worse than the above. On form. Yes it is.

On the day against both those teams the desire was less than those teams.

Its attitude. I am not pointing the blame at only the players. Look at my earlier post on the previous page and you will see.

Are you telling me the players I listed are Premier League quality?

 

[EVIL]

From that list of players, how many do you estimate will be picked up by 'top six' premier league sides, and play consistently for them based on ability and form; i estimate possibly none. Most of them will resurface in lower table sides, championship or retirement in Hamman's case.

 

[Marvin]

add elano and didi hamman, dont think we dont know what you are doing.
you are a digrace to your proffession, have'nt got the balls to put it in for the fans.
you know the only chance you have at city is if the manager leaves before you do.
well i firmly hope you lose this battle and the club stand firm and rid us of you and the other cancers within the dressing room.

I'd put Elano firmly in that bracket. Hamann for me is finished as a footballer.

Dunne and Richards did OK for me yesterday. I felt Dunne was one of the few players who put a shift in.

We have one player who is unprofessional, but largely we have poor players, and round pegs in square holes.

Loss of Robinho, SWP and Ireland takes most of our attacking potential away. And this is further undermined by loss of Petrov, and Benjani, Bojinov who are long term absences.

I don't want to see Elano in a City shirt again.

 

[moomba]

From that list theres one who hasn't played (Mills), one who has hardly played (Hamann), two that have been selected when perhaps they shouldn't have been (Vass and Ball) and a kid (Evans).

It's not really representative of the squad we have at our disposal.

 

[manchester blue]

If Hughes is as strict a dsiciplinarian as we're led to beleive then I expect that bunch of lazy, useless, overpaid wankers to be training today [Sunday] starting with a meeting where they are told in no uncertain terms that they WILL play for the reserves' next game and training willl be double sessions for the next week, ie they don't fuck off at midday but work till 5pm each day on team working and basic defending and passing to their own team.

 

[svennis pennis]

From that list theres one who hasn't played (Mills), one who has hardly played (Hamann), two that have been selected when perhaps they shouldn't have been (Vass and Ball) and a kid (Evans).

It's not really representative of the squad we have at our disposal.

Still not answering my question Moomba. They are championship players and you know it. they are part of our squad regardless if they are picked. Hamann has played plenty this season, as has Ball, Ched, Fernandes and Vassell.

 

[moomba]

Still not answering my question Moomba. They are championship players and you know it. they are part of our squad regardless if they are picked. Hamann has played plenty this season, as has Ball, Ched, Fernandes and Vassell.

Ball, Fernandes and maybe Evans in the future could do a job for a premier league club IMO. Hamann is done, Vass has lost it.

But I'm not sure what your point is, thats not our squad is it. Or are you saying that the quality of the squad is dependent on it's fringe/weak players?

Is Hulls squad better than ours?

 

[BobKowalski]

I have no idea whether the players mentioned are trying to get Hughes sacked or don't like his tactics or his training methods or think Hughes is a cack manager or are just genuinely confused as to what the hell the manager wants them to do.

I do know I want a manager who can manage players, get the best out of what he has and replace those players he deems not good enough and move us forward during this transistion period.

I want a manager smart enough to do this without seemingly pissing off half the squad and has the ability to inspire the players to work hard for him, the fans and for each other on the pitch.

I do know that you can post endless threads about 'dressing room cancer' and players this and players and so on but if there is one absolute in life that is unavoidable and unanswerable it is this.

The man in charge is always to blame.

This may at times be unfair and you can always cite mitigating circumstances whether it is Pearce (no funds), Sven (underminded by Frank) or whoever but the manager is paid to take the kicking and carry the can when it goes wrong. Hughes is paid to manage this squad of players, get the best out of them and get results on the pitch. Hughes is paid to pick the team, decide on tactics and motivate them. If they are just not good enough well Hughes is paid to get the best he can from them or use them in a way that maximises their positives and masks their weaknesses. If they are stroppy types well boo hoo. Hughes is paid to manage all players whilst he has them and move them out when he has the opportunity.

Finally Hughes is paid to win football matches. No one is interested in him whining that the squad ain't good enough (like no shit sherlock and besides how good does it have to be to beat Notts f**king Forest?) or that he needs three years to get 5th place. Hughes like every other manager is paid to win matches and thats it. The End. Full Stop.

 

[svennis pennis]

Still not answering my question Moomba. They are championship players and you know it. they are part of our squad regardless if they are picked. Hamann has played plenty this season, as has Ball, Ched, Fernandes and Vassell.

Ball, Fernandes and maybe Evans in the future could do a job for a premier league club IMO. Hamann is done, Vass has lost it.

But I'm not sure what your point is, thats not our squad is it. Or are you saying that the quality of the squad is dependent on it's fringe/weak players?

Is Hulls squad better than ours?

Well that is our squad. They are in the team or on the bench week in week out and make appearances.

Including starts and sub Appearances.

Fernandes-21 appearances
Hamann-17 Apps
Ball-12 Apps
Vassell-16 Apps
Ched- 15 Apps

Very much apart of our first team squad. All Championship players at best IMO. You never back down moomba, I don't expect you to here. But this is my opinion and one I am not shaking from,

i have answered that, No Hull do not have a better squad than us.

 

[EVIL]

In principal i think you are right, the mitigating circumstances are significant though, and i doubt any manager of repute could gel that shower of spineless sh$te into a committed and capable team. Time is up for a core of this poor, poor squad.

Hughes needs time. I have confidence in him, with a team full of players he has brought in. One manager has to get the chance to do this- assemble his own squad, as KK and Royle did, otherwise we end up with a squad consisting of ex-manager's dregs in permanent limbo at the club.

This process takes time, and the never-ending calls for managers heads leaves us back in the 70s and 80s again. No thanks.

 

[biffa]

Elano tried more than most of the team yesterday. It's not their fault they have no tactics, nor direction from a management team who are just completely out of their depth.

 

[svennis pennis]

In principal i think you are right, the mitigating circumstances are significant though, and i doubt any manager of repute could gel that shower of spineless sh$te into a committed and capable team. Time is up for a core of this poor, poor squad.

Hughes needs time. I have confidence in him, with a team full of players he has brought in. One manager has to get the chance to do this- assemble his own squad, as KK and Royle did, otherwise we end up with a squad consisting of ex-manager's dregs in permanent limbo at the club.

This process takes time, and the never-ending calls for managers heads leaves us back in the 70s and 80s again. No thanks.

Evil, you are spot on. We have to get a team that actually resembles a managers own. Keegan was the last time we had that. I am confident Hughes knows what players are right for us as well.

 

[Blue2112]

Not read all the thread yet but im trying to put myself into Michael Balls shoes at the start of the game yesterday. Fair enough the club have just bought the new signing to replace him long term and Im sure Ball is well prepared to expect to be dropped but to add insult to injury and bring him onto the pitch to receive the crowds applause and then follow it up with a half time interview on the big screens, well I think its possibly understandable that Ball didn't put a full shift in for the cause. Not saying its right but its human nature.

Now if Ball is happy to accept being second to Bridge then fine the above scenario doesn't come into it, but I doubt very much at his age he will be here much longer, therefore surely Hughes should have given the shirt to Garrido and tell him there's a future here behind Bridge as a squad member go out and play for the right to it.

 

[Blue Mooner]

add elano and didi hamman, dont think we dont know what you are doing.
you are a digrace to your proffession, have'nt got the balls to put it in for the fans.
you know the only chance you have at city is if the manager leaves before you do.
well i firmly hope you lose this battle and the club stand firm and rid us of you and the other cancers within the dressing room.

Would definitely agree on Ball, Hammann and Elano I though Dunnie put a shift in yesterday and I think Richards is suffering form a temporary lack of confidence

 

[BobKowalski]

Evil, you are spot on. We have to get a team that actually resembles a managers own. Keegan was the last time we had that. I am confident Hughes knows what players are right for us as well.

..and may God have mercy on our souls

 

[Marvin]

Elano tried more than most of the team yesterday. It's not their fault they have no tactics, nor direction from a management team who are just completely out of their depth.

For the 1st 20 mins when SWP was on the pitch yes, he was at the heart of our play.

The whole team was set up for him. That was evident. Then the going got tough, and Elano did what he has done ever since he came to City.

The players that were left: Fernandes then Hamann, Vassell were not good enough to break down a massed defence...although for 15 mins after half-time they did give it a good go

Elano's conduct at MCFC has been a problem under 2 managers, and he also left Shakhtar Donetsk under a cloud.