richard dunnie, micah richards, michael ball shame on you.

[frothy]

dont use the word cancer in a football context ffs

 

[Neville Kneville]

So where does the inspiration come from to change that mentality?

Get some new players in. Stop relying on proven failures. I agree that Dunne did a lot of covering for Micah today but if Micah had been playing next to a top centre half for the past few years, he probably wouldn't be shite like he is now. It passes on like a disease & if we carry on like this Zabeleta & Bridge will catch it. Zabeleta was coming down with it today.

Make these blokes fight for their places. Sink or swim.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

this is my point, they were fine last year, proof then they are doing this on purpose.
sven was soft, hughes tough. thats whats upset them.

SPOT ON MATE. SPOT ON. Same reason why england players loved Sven, let them get away with what they wanted......Afraid of a bit of hard work. The ones who have a good work ethic, Ireland, Kompany, SWP are doing fine under hughes.

 

[Neil McNab's Tash]

add elano and didi hamman, dont think we dont know what you are doing.
you are a digrace to your proffession, have'nt got the balls to put it in for the fans.
you know the only chance you have at city is if the manager leaves before you do.
well i firmly hope you lose this battle and the club stand firm and rid us of you and the other cancers within the dressing room.

They were fine last season - what's changed???

Are you sure?

About 38 points in a calendar year is relegation material isn't it

 

[biffa]

this is my point, they were fine last year, proof then they are doing this on purpose.
sven was soft, hughes tough. thats whats upset them.

SPOT ON MATE. SPOT ON. Same reason why england players loved Sven, let them get away with what they wanted......Afraid of a bit of hard work. The ones who have a good work ethic, Ireland, Kompany, SWP are doing fine under hughes.

yeah we don't need Robinho or Kaka. Look, we are the richest club in the world not Blackburn.

 

[Neil McNab's Tash]

add elano and didi hamman, dont think we dont know what you are doing.
you are a digrace to your proffession, have'nt got the balls to put it in for the fans.
you know the only chance you have at city is if the manager leaves before you do.
well i firmly hope you lose this battle and the club stand firm and rid us of you and the other cancers within the dressing room.

They were fine last season - what's changed???

38 points in a calendar year isn't fine

 

[Psychodelic]

Dunne looked mortified today at some of the players and then started to get frustrated at his own performance. Sturridge had a couple of good chances, Kompany played as well as he could against the lazy slack attitude of Elano, Fernandes, Ball etc. Richards didn't exactly do a lot but I thought he got stuck in a few times, his problem is he seems to blame others when he doesn't know who to pass the ball to. SWP got injured which tipped us over. Vassell just has no use at all. Haman may as well retire. Caciedo looked out of his depth today for some reason. He looked like a barn door last week.

I would have thought with the unveiling of Wayne Bridge before ko they would have shown what they can do. He must be thinking what the hell have I got into here!

I would say we've seen the last of Elano and Fernandes for certain. Just pointless keeping them now. Clearly no interest in City.

Shocking performance today and the players know it. I also think some of them know they're on borrowed time for now too. Not sure whether Hughes should go yet. I do believe we can't get any worse thats for sure. I think if Hughes were to be sacked now it would cause more problems as potential transfers may think twice about coming to City if the management/coaching set up is so unsteady. Its bloody frustrating and it doesn't exactly fill you with optimism when you see the team so unorganised and careless.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

SPOT ON MATE. SPOT ON. Same reason why england players loved Sven, let them get away with what they wanted......Afraid of a bit of hard work. The ones who have a good work ethic, Ireland, Kompany, SWP are doing fine under hughes.

yeah we don't need Robinho or Kaka. Look, we are the richest club in the world not Blackburn.

What on earth are you talking about. IF you think Kaka is coming or ever had any intention of coming you are going to be evry disappointed, as you just stated we are MANCHESTER CITY, a club who has failed in every aspect for over 30 years and a few quid does not change that.

 

[staffs_blue]

I will put this on ehre cos I didn't see that this thread was so long when I started another. This stance of the management holding no responsiblity and everything being the fault of the players is one that every sacked manager in history could claim. It's laughable. The manager is responsible for the players





Numerous threads on here yet again blaming the players. Yet the hypocrasy stinks. Time and again the same characters are acusing some of the 'hughes out' lot of banging the same drum regardless of what occurs. This is of course true in some cases and some were against him before he got here. That is indefensible.

However, time and again, after each woeful and unacceptable performance the same 'Hughes through thick and thin' brigade seek to completely absolve the management from any responsibility and put all the blame on the players.

Consider this though. We have all seen the majority of these players perform at a very high level either whilst or City or before they joined. Yet now it is not one or two players that are consistently putting in below par performances, it is the vast majority of the squad.

These under performing players. Just hold on for a minute and consider who they are.

Elano - Brazil international
Robinho (according to some) - one of the best players in the world
Richards - the youngest ever defender to play for England and, until this season, recognised by all as probably the best defender of his age in Europe.
Dunne - Captain of the Republic of Ireland and a top Premier League defender for the past 5 season.
SWP - brilliant winger whose productivity has decreased over the past few weeks.
Joe Hart - Easily the best young keeper in the country, possibly Europe.


Add in the likes of Ireland, Sturridge and Kompany who have lept a consistent performance and that's some basis for a squad.

How can it be that all these players have all of a suddenly either hit an unimaginable patch of form or have suddenly turned into these disgusting characters who the Hughes brigade would have you believe couldn't give a shit about this club, the fans or anyone else?

It doesn't add up. Things don't work like that.

Throughout history the football manager has been held accountable for results. When a sustained level of drastic underperformance has been achieved then a manager inevitably gets held responsible and held to account.

When results have been as bad as they have been and the majority of the squad, not one or two or a small section, have been so below par then a manager is held responsible for it. In any sector at a high level, in any job, but especially football management, the buck passing excuse of "its nothing to do with me, its the people below me just does not wash over anything other than a short honeymoon period. Especially when the people below you are performing at a level so far below their collective ability.

Managers are there to maximise performance from their resources. If they get much more from than the sum of the parts then they are exceptional managers. If they get slightly more then they are doing a decent job. If they consistently get far less than the sum of the parts then their position becomes untenable and the buck passing cry of 'it's everyone elses fault' becomes laughable.

These players have obviously not taken the collective decision to flush their careers and reputations down the toilet yet this is what they are virtually doing at present.

Whilst responsibility lies with the players to some extent for everything that happens on the field, the buck stops with the management. It always has and always will. If you have such highly rated resources and get such terrible results then in any other industry, where you don't have 'supporters' willing to buy into cliches and support you regardless, you are sacked.

Every single manager who ever got the sack could point to the players as not haing performed. From Alan Ball to Barry Fry, they would be correct. The players obviously haven't performed because the results have been bad - that's why they have been sacked.

It doesn't matter though. They are responsible for getting performances out of the players and ensuring that they buy into them.

The buck stops with the manager.

(ps: no manager that has ever been sacked in the history of football has ever had the temerity to say "I've spent £80m and produced awful results, but just let me spend another £100m and everything will be alright" so it's not exactly relevant. I don't care who takes over until the end of the season. The management can't get anything like decent performances from the squad and I would therefore back any old mug to have some sort of 'Joe Kinnear' slight improvement that would avert the disater that this management team is flirting with)

Great post.

 

[sweep]

I will put this on ehre cos I didn't see that this thread was so long when I started another. This stance of the management holding no responsiblity and everything being the fault of the players is one that every sacked manager in history could claim. It's laughable. The manager is responsible for the players





Numerous threads on here yet again blaming the players. Yet the hypocrasy stinks. Time and again the same characters are acusing some of the 'hughes out' lot of banging the same drum regardless of what occurs. This is of course true in some cases and some were against him before he got here. That is indefensible.

However, time and again, after each woeful and unacceptable performance the same 'Hughes through thick and thin' brigade seek to completely absolve the management from any responsibility and put all the blame on the players.

Consider this though. We have all seen the majority of these players perform at a very high level either whilst or City or before they joined. Yet now it is not one or two players that are consistently putting in below par performances, it is the vast majority of the squad.

These under performing players. Just hold on for a minute and consider who they are.

Elano - Brazil international
Robinho (according to some) - one of the best players in the world
Richards - the youngest ever defender to play for England and, until this season, recognised by all as probably the best defender of his age in Europe.
Dunne - Captain of the Republic of Ireland and a top Premier League defender for the past 5 season.
SWP - brilliant winger whose productivity has decreased over the past few weeks.
Joe Hart - Easily the best young keeper in the country, possibly Europe.


Add in the likes of Ireland, Sturridge and Kompany who have lept a consistent performance and that's some basis for a squad.

How can it be that all these players have all of a suddenly either hit an unimaginable patch of form or have suddenly turned into these disgusting characters who the Hughes brigade would have you believe couldn't give a shit about this club, the fans or anyone else?

It doesn't add up. Things don't work like that.

Throughout history the football manager has been held accountable for results. When a sustained level of drastic underperformance has been achieved then a manager inevitably gets held responsible and held to account.

When results have been as bad as they have been and the majority of the squad, not one or two or a small section, have been so below par then a manager is held responsible for it. In any sector at a high level, in any job, but especially football management, the buck passing excuse of "its nothing to do with me, its the people below me just does not wash over anything other than a short honeymoon period. Especially when the people below you are performing at a level so far below their collective ability.

Managers are there to maximise performance from their resources. If they get much more from than the sum of the parts then they are exceptional managers. If they get slightly more then they are doing a decent job. If they consistently get far less than the sum of the parts then their position becomes untenable and the buck passing cry of 'it's everyone elses fault' becomes laughable.

These players have obviously not taken the collective decision to flush their careers and reputations down the toilet yet this is what they are virtually doing at present.

Whilst responsibility lies with the players to some extent for everything that happens on the field, the buck stops with the management. It always has and always will. If you have such highly rated resources and get such terrible results then in any other industry, where you don't have 'supporters' willing to buy into cliches and support you regardless, you are sacked.

Every single manager who ever got the sack could point to the players as not haing performed. From Alan Ball to Barry Fry, they would be correct. The players obviously haven't performed because the results have been bad - that's why they have been sacked.

It doesn't matter though. They are responsible for getting performances out of the players and ensuring that they buy into them.

The buck stops with the manager.

(ps: no manager that has ever been sacked in the history of football has ever had the temerity to say "I've spent £80m and produced awful results, but just let me spend another £100m and everything will be alright" so it's not exactly relevant. I don't care who takes over until the end of the season. The management can't get anything like decent performances from the squad and I would therefore back any old mug to have some sort of 'Joe Kinnear' slight improvement that would avert the disater that this management team is flirting with)

Great post. I'm all for stablity but it needs to be with a manager who has a clue motivationally and tactically.

 

[blusmiff]

Richard Dunne stopped todays result becoming a cricket score, he's not had his best season but today he dug so many others out of the shit so many times.

Micah needs a rest asap.

couldnt agree more gstar, when he went on that long run i genuinly felt for the guy cos he bust a gut there only to get no support. i think this day may be a turning point for the big fella , he looked and played like he has had enough of this arsin about. GO ON DUNNEY KICK SUM ARSE

 

[staffs_blue]

i think this day may be a turning point for the big fella , he looked and played like he has had enough of this arsin about. GO ON DUNNEY KICK SUM ARSE

Its only taken him till January 3rd 2009!! He's the captain FFS!! Its his job 2 stop the arsin about.

 

[bert38]

A quality left-sided centre-half would allow Dunne to play on his favoured side where he is a completely different player-and it would allow Richards some time to think about just where his career is going.

 

[blusmiff]

i think this day may be a turning point for the big fella , he looked and played like he has had enough of this arsin about. GO ON DUNNEY KICK SUM ARSE

Its only taken him till January 3rd 2009!! He's the captain FFS!! Its his job 2 stop the arsin about.

he looked to be trying today, okay maybe it is a bit late , but finally somebody is showing some heart, it has to start somewhere and maybe it will have a knock on, anyway he ran his arse off today which i for 1 noticed , look for positives blue instead of moan moanmoanmoanmoan. it was obvious today that certain players didnt want to know, well fkm they prob gone now anyway. smoke weed it helps

 

[badmash]

I would sell Richards tomorrow the guy is wank, and thinks he is something else.

 

[Chid]

Richard Dunne stopped todays result becoming a cricket score, he's not had his best season but today he dug so many others out of the shit so many times.

Micah needs a rest asap.

No he needs the bullet, no heart, no passion , no FUCKing effort, he was a joke today. In all my 35 years I have never called a player but today was the day. i have sen some shit but today took the biscuit.

 

[taggarc]

I will put this on ehre cos I didn't see that this thread was so long when I started another. This stance of the management holding no responsiblity and everything being the fault of the players is one that every sacked manager in history could claim. It's laughable. The manager is responsible for the players





Numerous threads on here yet again blaming the players. Yet the hypocrasy stinks. Time and again the same characters are acusing some of the 'hughes out' lot of banging the same drum regardless of what occurs. This is of course true in some cases and some were against him before he got here. That is indefensible.

However, time and again, after each woeful and unacceptable performance the same 'Hughes through thick and thin' brigade seek to completely absolve the management from any responsibility and put all the blame on the players.

Consider this though. We have all seen the majority of these players perform at a very high level either whilst or City or before they joined. Yet now it is not one or two players that are consistently putting in below par performances, it is the vast majority of the squad.

These under performing players. Just hold on for a minute and consider who they are.

Elano - Brazil international
Robinho (according to some) - one of the best players in the world
Richards - the youngest ever defender to play for England and, until this season, recognised by all as probably the best defender of his age in Europe.
Dunne - Captain of the Republic of Ireland and a top Premier League defender for the past 5 season.
SWP - brilliant winger whose productivity has decreased over the past few weeks.
Joe Hart - Easily the best young keeper in the country, possibly Europe.


Add in the likes of Ireland, Sturridge and Kompany who have lept a consistent performance and that's some basis for a squad.

How can it be that all these players have all of a suddenly either hit an unimaginable patch of form or have suddenly turned into these disgusting characters who the Hughes brigade would have you believe couldn't give a shit about this club, the fans or anyone else?

It doesn't add up. Things don't work like that.

Throughout history the football manager has been held accountable for results. When a sustained level of drastic underperformance has been achieved then a manager inevitably gets held responsible and held to account.

When results have been as bad as they have been and the majority of the squad, not one or two or a small section, have been so below par then a manager is held responsible for it. In any sector at a high level, in any job, but especially football management, the buck passing excuse of "its nothing to do with me, its the people below me just does not wash over anything other than a short honeymoon period. Especially when the people below you are performing at a level so far below their collective ability.

Managers are there to maximise performance from their resources. If they get much more from than the sum of the parts then they are exceptional managers. If they get slightly more then they are doing a decent job. If they consistently get far less than the sum of the parts then their position becomes untenable and the buck passing cry of 'it's everyone elses fault' becomes laughable.

These players have obviously not taken the collective decision to flush their careers and reputations down the toilet yet this is what they are virtually doing at present.

Whilst responsibility lies with the players to some extent for everything that happens on the field, the buck stops with the management. It always has and always will. If you have such highly rated resources and get such terrible results then in any other industry, where you don't have 'supporters' willing to buy into cliches and support you regardless, you are sacked.

Every single manager who ever got the sack could point to the players as not haing performed. From Alan Ball to Barry Fry, they would be correct. The players obviously haven't performed because the results have been bad - that's why they have been sacked.

It doesn't matter though. They are responsible for getting performances out of the players and ensuring that they buy into them.

The buck stops with the manager.

(ps: no manager that has ever been sacked in the history of football has ever had the temerity to say "I've spent £80m and produced awful results, but just let me spend another £100m and everything will be alright" so it's not exactly relevant. I don't care who takes over until the end of the season. The management can't get anything like decent performances from the squad and I would therefore back any old mug to have some sort of 'Joe Kinnear' slight improvement that would avert the disater that this management team is flirting with)

Great post.

Disagree. it would be laughable if the squad was being slightly remodelled. Hughes, the players and the fans know this isn't enough with our new found wealth so a large part of the team know that they will be on route to another club come this January or, if some of them can delay it, until the summer. They are simply rebelling, or not motivated to play because they know the better they do the greater the chance they will be replaced - i.e. the club will be even more attractive to star players.

This would be a problem for any manager.

Regardless of this situation, Sven even had problems before he left and, by the way, most of the players that are perfoming are MH signings or are the ones which are likely to be staying. Strange coincidence that.

Things will take time to bed in and once the dead wood is removed (this will involve players who want to be automatic first choices but are only good enough to be squad players going forward, e.g. Elano) only then can Hughes be judged.

If some of the old school can not be bothered to put in a performance to beat Notts Forest then they simply don't give a shit or they are not good enough. They should be motivated enough and have enough pride and skill to out perform Notts Forest regardless of who the manager is.

So no I am not in the Hughes out camp, well not yet. Our current performances are more related to certain players not being motivated and/or trying to drop Hughes in it and make the team a less attractive option for potential targets. Hopefully they are the ones who will come unstuck and pay the price in the end, not the manager.

 

[blue 1992]

the players do need to get a kick up the arse. but they don't always lack fight and ambition (the blackburn game) but we need to play like that on a regular basis and with some of the players we have now, especially the back 4 (dunne, richards, ball, fernandes), are genuine deadwood now, so i say we ship these players out, and get in quality, we've started today by signing wayne bridge, but we need more players like lescott, distin, maybe even kolo toure and senna. and with these players, we will regain the confidence that we had before christmas under sven and start looking solid around the whole pitch. but rome wasnt built in a day, we have to stick with our manager who has my full backing and should have yours.

i understand that we got beat by a championship team today but, with making a few alterations to the squad and shipping some of our current players out and make hughes treating them hard with a 'take no sh*t' attitude, then we can start challenging for competitions like the fa cup and europe.

ctid.

 

[biffa]

yeah we don't need Robinho or Kaka. Look, we are the richest club in the world not Blackburn.

What on earth are you talking about. IF you think Kaka is coming or ever had any intention of coming you are going to be evry disappointed, as you just stated we are MANCHESTER CITY, a club who has failed in every aspect for over 30 years and a few quid does not change that.

He and the best players in the world will be coming, you better get used to it. ADUG are not in this to sign the likes of Bellamy.
Funny, I had the same conversation with my Rag mates the other night, they just can't stand to think that we are going to be competing with them for the top players.

 

[lozzer1]

They were fine last season - what's changed???

Coaching staff ;o)

FFS wake up

Whats changed is that we are now a club with huge resources

We can and are looking to improve the squad

The weaker elements of our squad who are unable to rise to this challenge resort to the tactics outlined by De Niro

Hughes needs to be backed during the transition !!