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richard dunnie, micah richards, michael ball shame on you.
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mammutly said:Can't agree. These are all players that can perform. If it was just one, two, or even three players you could say it was down to them, but when you're talking about more than half the team, the focus has to shift to the manager.
Hughes has to sort this out.
I can agree these players loved swanning around under Sven and now hate having to work hard. Of course they are trying to oust the manager for their own benefit.
Keep MH for now and let these players rot in the reserves or Championship. What have they ever won for us, NOUGHT, so their way cannot be right.
We need a Bellamy (who I hate) just to kick their ass and show them what a bunch of lazy, lily livered shirkers they really are.
Hide yourself in shame players, doubt you are suffering a fraction of the pain and humiliation all diehard city fans like me are suffering tonight.
Even if MH is crap, you can still give 100% against an inferior team, that is not much to ask for.
Instead of protesting against MH why not Boo these failures onto the pitch for the Portsmouth game, then only cheer them when they really try for the shirt.
Mr Ed (The Stables) said:josh06 said:I though Dunne was one of the better players today.. Like someone on GMR said:
He is covering for Richards and Ball - which is making him look bad.
I agree and also Joe Hart isn't exactly a rock between the sticks either so he's probably trying to keep an eye on him as well.
We need another quality Keeper... Joe Hart is living on Easy Street at the moment knowing he is not going to get edged out by KS and has his name on the team sheet every week without a challenge..... It is all very lacklustre at the back....
I think that the conditioning staff need to get Micah Richards out of the weights room quick... any conditioning should now be done with circuits.. he is to big and I personally don't think he is there mentally.. he has never recovered from when he was dropped by England.
Dunney has been a great servant and had some great games for us.. I think that there are to many miles on his clock now having to cover for others and it has taken it's toll...
There used to be a banner up at the ground which read " We dream of playing in the shirt, today God chose you, play like we dream" Maybe that should be up in the dressing room...
ElanJo
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de niro said:add elano and didi hamman, dont think we dont know what you are doing.
you are a digrace to your proffession, have'nt got the balls to put it in for the fans.
you know the only chance you have at city is if the manager leaves before you do.
well i firmly hope you lose this battle and the club stand firm and rid us of you and the other cancers within the dressing room.
Same players that allowed Boro the 8-1 last season. I can maybe forgive Richards, with him being a kid, but the others should know better. They don't give a shit about the club.
You're right, it is transparant.
I applauded one player off today - Kompany. He has to get the armband now.
biffa said:OK I will, but I hold you personally responsible if it all goes tits up.lozzer1 said:FFS wake up
Whats changed is that we are now a club with huge resources
We can and are looking to improve the squad
The weaker elements of our squad who are unable to rise to this challenge resort to the tactics outlined by De Niro
Hughes needs to be backed during the transition !!
Cheers Biffa
A big responsibility but I stand by it.
We will see these kind of results until we can rebuild the team and settle it back down
Then the team spirit will shine through
We can say Sven was soft, and Hughes is a strict disciplinarian.
But Sven got us to 9th, has won numerous trophies and when it comes down to it has a pretty good record with England.
Maybe being an inflexible taskmaster isn't the way to do things.
But Sven got us to 9th, has won numerous trophies and when it comes down to it has a pretty good record with England.
Maybe being an inflexible taskmaster isn't the way to do things.
Bill
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i agree moomba, my beef is that the players owe the club and the fans a performance whoever is in charge, not try to get him sacked because they dont like his tactics/training.moomba said:We can say Sven was soft, and Hughes is a strict disciplinarian.
But Sven got us to 9th, has won numerous trophies and when it comes down to it has a pretty good record with England.
Maybe being an inflexible taskmaster isn't the way to do things.
Too many players have the "fuck it" attitude and would have it regardless of the manager. We now have pot loads of cash and can buy whoever we want moneywise. Too many of the players have thought "fuck it they are going to replace me anyway" the only exception being Ireland. The one player who sums it up more than anyone is Elano who yesterday was an absolute disgrace. Richards needs to get his head from up his arse (I would play Ned everytime if fit before Richards).
In repsonse to the title of the thread I actually think Dunne (along with Kompany and Sturridge) actually tried yesterday and looked like he gave a shit about what was going on.
In repsonse to the title of the thread I actually think Dunne (along with Kompany and Sturridge) actually tried yesterday and looked like he gave a shit about what was going on.
Neville Kneville
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de niro said:i agree moomba, my beef is that the players owe the club and the fans a performance whoever is in charge, not try to get him sacked because they dont like his tactics/training.moomba said:We can say Sven was soft, and Hughes is a strict disciplinarian.
But Sven got us to 9th, has won numerous trophies and when it comes down to it has a pretty good record with England.
Maybe being an inflexible taskmaster isn't the way to do things.
Do you really think they're doing it deliberately? To me they're just a bunch of bottlers but if what you're suggesting is true it means that they also got Sven sacked. So presumably if Hughes goes they may not like the next one & get him out?
Either way, whatever the truth, they're proven failures & even if Hughes is to be sacked, which I don't want, please let him have the opportunity to weed these shithouses out first.
Pagie
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For me Dunne is not having the greatest of seasons, but Ball left him covering the left back slot on god knows how many occasions yesterday and Richards is not at the races. Hughes given time to assemble his own team will become a decent manager. Whether he will be given time is another story. I dont know why so many CIty fans seem to think we should be top 5 already. Rome wasnt built in a day.
BlueMo'
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Pagie said:For me Dunne is not having the greatest of seasons, but Ball left him covering the left back slot on god knows how many occasions yesterday and Richards is not at the races. Hughes given time to assemble his own team will become a decent manager. Whether he will be given time is another story. I dont know why so many CIty fans seem to think we should be top 5 already. Rome wasnt built in a day.
After seeing Bridge paraded around Ball probably didn't give a fcuk.
I'm not defending him but he seemed to have given up altogether.
dw7
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de niro said:and replace them with who? they know they can't be dropped.YET.dw7 said:why doesnt hughes drop them then
dunne or richards for ben hiam one of hughes buys ok not grate but last 2 games i seen himm play he wasnt bad psg and fulham
micheal ball for garrido the most improved player from last year apart from ireland
de niro said:i agree moomba, my beef is that the players owe the club and the fans a performance whoever is in charge, not try to get him sacked because they dont like his tactics/training.
I agree with that, although I don't think anyone is trying to get him sacked.
But if you can't lift yourself for the club if not the manager then I reckon long term you have no place at our club. These are the players that will be eased out of the club, and replaced with players with a stronger mentality.
It won't happen overnight, but I think regardless of who the manager is it will happen.
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Its time to let a large quantity of our players go.
Hughes does and has to take some of the blame. i get uncomfortable when i listen to him blaming the players and not looking at himself.
I remember Kevin Keegan in a post match interview asking where the nearest Job centre was, such was the poor performance.
It is time to be ruthless because, lets be honest, does anyone want to see a repeat of this scenario with another manager in charge? If a few players take a dislike to our next manager they have proved they will underperform.
In my opinion this window should be about removing these players and bringing in players who are professional in both attitude and commitment. Sunday Supplement called it perfectly this morning. They said in no circumstances should we sign Bellamy and Parker, as it is not for a club with aspirations as we should have. If these two arrive then I will seriously question Hughes ambition, but until that arrives they are just speculation.
This transfer window should not only be about the megastars we are trying to sign. It should be about removing some of the plague in attitude and form.
Ball
Dunne
Richards - Reserves
Hamann
Fernandes
Vassell
Benjani
Mills
Jo - On loan
Elano
I would let all of those players leave be it on loan or permanently. They have proved they are non commited over recent weeks. I would maybe put Hart into back up or force him to fight it out with someone like Given. Theres too much complacency in the team. Shit like the above know they will be in and around the team every game and that is a worry.
I believe Hughes should get the chance to bring in the steal we desperately need. I have no problems with him bringing in some tough tackling players, as long as they aren't in the Dunne mould of tackle and hoof. If he brings in players of the calibre of Kompany and Zabaletta, then that is exactly what we need. Bridge is a fucking quality player, if he continues on that form than great.
Bellamy and Parker are a no from me though.
Hughes does and has to take some of the blame. i get uncomfortable when i listen to him blaming the players and not looking at himself.
I remember Kevin Keegan in a post match interview asking where the nearest Job centre was, such was the poor performance.
It is time to be ruthless because, lets be honest, does anyone want to see a repeat of this scenario with another manager in charge? If a few players take a dislike to our next manager they have proved they will underperform.
In my opinion this window should be about removing these players and bringing in players who are professional in both attitude and commitment. Sunday Supplement called it perfectly this morning. They said in no circumstances should we sign Bellamy and Parker, as it is not for a club with aspirations as we should have. If these two arrive then I will seriously question Hughes ambition, but until that arrives they are just speculation.
This transfer window should not only be about the megastars we are trying to sign. It should be about removing some of the plague in attitude and form.
Ball
Dunne
Richards - Reserves
Hamann
Fernandes
Vassell
Benjani
Mills
Jo - On loan
Elano
I would let all of those players leave be it on loan or permanently. They have proved they are non commited over recent weeks. I would maybe put Hart into back up or force him to fight it out with someone like Given. Theres too much complacency in the team. Shit like the above know they will be in and around the team every game and that is a worry.
I believe Hughes should get the chance to bring in the steal we desperately need. I have no problems with him bringing in some tough tackling players, as long as they aren't in the Dunne mould of tackle and hoof. If he brings in players of the calibre of Kompany and Zabaletta, then that is exactly what we need. Bridge is a fucking quality player, if he continues on that form than great.
Bellamy and Parker are a no from me though.
svennis pennis said:Its time to let a large quantity of our players go.
Hughes does and has to take some of the blame. i get uncomfortable when i listen to him blaming the players and not looking at himself.
I remember Kevin Keegan in a post match interview asking where the nearest Job centre was, such was the poor performance.
It is time to be ruthless because, lets be honest, does anyone want to see a repeat of this scenario with another manager in charge? If a few players take a dislike to our next manager they have proved they will underperform.
In my opinion this window should be about removing these players and bringing in players who are professional in both attitude and commitment. Sunday Supplement called it perfectly this morning. They said in no circumstances should we sign Bellamy and Parker, as it is not for a club with aspirations as we should have. If these two arrive then I will seriously question Hughes ambition, but until that arrives they are just speculation.
This transfer window should not only be about the megastars we are trying to sign. It should be about removing some of the plague in attitude and form.
Ball
Dunne
Richards - Reserves
Hamann
Fernandes
Vassell
Benjani
Mills
Jo - On loan
Elano
I would let all of those players leave be it on loan or permanently. They have proved they are non commited over recent weeks. I would maybe put Hart into back up or force him to fight it out with someone like Given. Theres too much complacency in the team. Shit like the above know they will be in and around the team every game and that is a worry.
I believe Hughes should get the chance to bring in the steal we desperately need. I have no problems with him bringing in some tough tackling players, as long as they aren't in the Dunne mould of tackle and hoof. If he brings in players of the calibre of Kompany and Zabaletta, then that is exactly what we need. Bridge is a fucking quality player, if he continues on that form than great.
Bellamy and Parker are a no from me though.
Well said.
The problems apparent have been around a long time. There needs to be as many out as in and Hughes has done very well in the transfer market so far. Who he brings in this month however will be of huge importance and significance.
I genuinely think De Niro has a point here, it has occurred to me for a long time that a nucleus of players here are attempting to sabotage the plan(s). Dunne, Ball, Vassell, Hamaan, Fernandes, Benjani, were all part of that spineless team that lay down and took a hammering at Middlesborough in May;spat their dummies out en-masse, because they weren't dictating the club's future. Get rid of all soon as possible, or better still let them rot in the reserves.
Hughes referred to this frailty explicitly yesterday, saying he was aware of the weaknesses from "day one". This squad is a poor one, and it seems to think it controls the club. That is plainly not the case, as they will find out in the next three weeks.
When Hughes has a team of his own players, i genuinely think we will see passionate and committed performances, from a team worthy of the name. Half of this squad knows it is at the guillotine, and the sooner their heads drop in the bucket the better.
Stick with Hughes, its this mass of championship-quality players that should accept the bulk of the responsibility, not him.
Hughes referred to this frailty explicitly yesterday, saying he was aware of the weaknesses from "day one". This squad is a poor one, and it seems to think it controls the club. That is plainly not the case, as they will find out in the next three weeks.
When Hughes has a team of his own players, i genuinely think we will see passionate and committed performances, from a team worthy of the name. Half of this squad knows it is at the guillotine, and the sooner their heads drop in the bucket the better.
Stick with Hughes, its this mass of championship-quality players that should accept the bulk of the responsibility, not him.
EVIL said:Stick with Hughes, its this mass of championship-quality players that should accept the bulk of the responsibility, not him.
A mass of championship quality players that were good enough to finish 9th last season before Robinho, SWP and Kompany were added to the squad.
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I agree with this 100%. I am fed up of the posts saying it all rests with the Manager. Hughes knows the problems and is brave enough to address them head on. Let's not crucify him for trying to weed out the crap players.
I've said it before - I'd run until I could run no more if I was wearing the shirt. Nothing frustrates me more.
Good luck Hughesy.
I for one have faith in you.
I've said it before - I'd run until I could run no more if I was wearing the shirt. Nothing frustrates me more.
Good luck Hughesy.
I for one have faith in you.
svennis pennis
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moomba said:EVIL said:Stick with Hughes, its this mass of championship-quality players that should accept the bulk of the responsibility, not him.
A mass of championship quality players that were good enough to finish 9th last season before Robinho, SWP and Kompany were added to the squad.
Vassell, Ball, Mills, Fernandes, Ched, Hamman are all Championship players IMO. None are good enough for this league anymore.
Dunne is looking out of sorts and Richards has an awful attitude at the Moment. Minus Bridge that was our starting defensive line yesterday and it could not cope with a managerless Championship side.
CrawleyBlue said:I agree with this 100%. I am fed up of the posts saying it all rests with the Manager. Hughes knows the problems and is brave enough to address them head on. Let's not crucify him for trying to weed out the crap players.
I've said it before - I'd run until I could run no more if I was wearing the shirt. Nothing frustrates me more.
Good luck Hughesy.
I for one have faith in you.
Spot on