robin van persie (continued)

[bernabias home shirt]

Do you want to take the bet then?

That bet is about 1/6 to happen

1/6 that at least one will be gone?

I would say yes..

Dzeko was 2/5 to go the other day and tevez 4/6..

That market has closed for now,although dzeko is still 8/13 to join milan..

I agree with you its near certain one will go..

 

[Marvin]

The deal for RVP, if there ever was one, is dead in the water

I think City and Mancini were waiting to see Tevez's attitude in training and to sus out if we were going to have a repeat of last Summer and the transfer requests.

So we keep the best strike-force in the Premiership together, and concentrate on strengthening one or two positions if possible. This is the best outcome possible

 

[pudge]

Why do people ever believe what a manager tells a journalist in a press conference!

Do people expect Mancini to say what he really thinks, "Tevez is a fookin' timebomb, its important he fooks off asap"!

Mancini was pretty insistent. There were NO weasel words for future wriggle room...
"Both Dzeko and Tevez will stay at City. We are a great team and we try to keep all our great players. It won't be easy but they will stay here."

RVP is too old, is injury prone and will have no resale value.

This "no resale value" argument annoys me more than the "he's too injury prone"

Not every player is bought with the intention to sell them at a profit, or at all.

And every player is "injury prone", some are just more unlucky than others.

 

[Utter bobbins]

He has been at Arsenal for several seasons and taken them into his heart.

I know that he will want to prove he is the best, but he will not be used to rotation and that may not be to his liking. He isn't coming to sit on the bench and with us having Aguero, Balotelli and one of Carlos / Dzeko it will be difficult to them all in for some consistent playing time.

No player wants or expects to play 70 games a season

Just as well. The only way we could play 70 games in a season is by intentionally taking every FA Cup game to a replay. Otherwise there's not that many games in the calendar.

Might happen pal and he is an international but I do beg your pardon for slightly over estimating

 

[pudge]

The deal for RVP, if there ever was one, is dead in the water

I think City and Mancini were waiting to see Tevez's attitude in training and to sus out if we were going to have a repeat of last Summer and the transfer requests.

So we keep the best strike-force in the Premiership together, and concentrate on strengthening one or two positions if possible. This is the best outcome possible

Hmmmmm, do I believe your wishful thinking or Tolmie's genuine info?

It's a toughie...

 

[dctid]

Why do people ever believe what a manager tells a journalist in a press conference!

Do people expect Mancini to say what he really thinks, "Tevez is a fookin' timebomb, its important he fooks off asap"!

Mancini was pretty insistent. There were NO weasel words for future wriggle room...
"Both Dzeko and Tevez will stay at City. We are a great team and we try to keep all our great players. It won't be easy but they will stay here."

RVP is too old, is injury prone and will have no resale value.

This "no resale value" argument annoys me more than the "he's too injury prone"

Not every player is bought with the intention to sell them at a profit, or at all.

And every player is "injury prone", some are just more unlucky than others.

Agree but then again most players are bought with the intention that there is some resale value that may be 10% - 50% or 150% of whatever the player was bought for - cant think of may clubs that allow players to see out their contract most are slld if they wont commit with 12 or 18 months to go - RvP -DJ are such examples

 

[Blue Haze]

It isn't realistic to keep both Carlos and Edin. Unless Edin doesn't mind being 4th striker and getting the odd start here and there.

 

[Marvin]

The deal for RVP, if there ever was one, is dead in the water

I think City and Mancini were waiting to see Tevez's attitude in training and to sus out if we were going to have a repeat of last Summer and the transfer requests.

So we keep the best strike-force in the Premiership together, and concentrate on strengthening one or two positions if possible. This is the best outcome possible

Hmmmmm, do I believe your wishful thinking or Tolmie's genuine info?

It's a toughie...

Logic and Roberto Mancini say he'll stay. Mancini's comments to the Italian media are as forthright as you can get

Tevez and Dzeko will stay at Manchester City

Pretty much ensures that RVP will stay at Arsenal, or go elsewhere because Mario and Sergio are going nowhere.

If you were City manager the risk would be that Tevez continues to agitate for a move, but if you were convinced he'd stay then you'd be mad to replace him. He is the best full stop

 

[adrianr]

The deal for RVP, if there ever was one, is dead in the water

I think City and Mancini were waiting to see Tevez's attitude in training and to sus out if we were going to have a repeat of last Summer and the transfer requests.

So we keep the best strike-force in the Premiership together, and concentrate on strengthening one or two positions if possible. This is the best outcome possible

I wouldn't underestimate Balotelli's impact at the Euro's either. Maybe Mancini saw enough to convince him how much of a role he can play next season.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Over the next 2 seasons we cannot waste money on any player due to the constraints of FFP - therefore the "no resale value" argument is completely valid. Any money spent on a 29 year old player (as RVP will be at the start of the coming season) will not be reclaimed at the end of his contract. As such the club and Mancini will not spend a fee in excess of £10m for him.

It wouldn't surprise me though if Tevez eventually does go to Millan, But if so i would hope we spent the money on a quality younger player (e.g. Neymar) to replace him.

 

[Ntini77]

Mancini is a liar like the rest of us.

 

[pudge]

Mancini was pretty insistent. There were NO weasel words for future wriggle room...
"Both Dzeko and Tevez will stay at City. We are a great team and we try to keep all our great players. It won't be easy but they will stay here."

RVP is too old, is injury prone and will have no resale value.

This "no resale value" argument annoys me more than the "he's too injury prone"

Not every player is bought with the intention to sell them at a profit, or at all.

And every player is "injury prone", some are just more unlucky than others.

Agree but then again most players are bought with the intention that there is some resale value that may be 10% - 50% or 150% of whatever the player was bought for - cant think of may clubs that allow players to see out their contract most are slld if they wont commit with 12 or 18 months to go - RvP -DJ are such examples

Obviously when a player is signed, you can't judge how they'll feel 5-10 years down the line.

 

[Marvin]

The deal for RVP, if there ever was one, is dead in the water

I think City and Mancini were waiting to see Tevez's attitude in training and to sus out if we were going to have a repeat of last Summer and the transfer requests.

So we keep the best strike-force in the Premiership together, and concentrate on strengthening one or two positions if possible. This is the best outcome possible

I wouldn't underestimate Balotelli's impact at the Euro's either. Maybe Mancini saw enough to convince him how much of a role he can play next season.

That must be true.

I wasn't a big fan of Balotelli last season. I think everyone had their doubts as to his potential, but he was amazing at the Euros. I think the penny has dropped regarding his football. certainly hope so. The claims that he can be the best player in the world don't look as stupid as they did 6 months ago. His form must surely have had an impact on the manager's thinking

 

[pudge]

The deal for RVP, if there ever was one, is dead in the water

I think City and Mancini were waiting to see Tevez's attitude in training and to sus out if we were going to have a repeat of last Summer and the transfer requests.

So we keep the best strike-force in the Premiership together, and concentrate on strengthening one or two positions if possible. This is the best outcome possible

Hmmmmm, do I believe your wishful thinking or Tolmie's genuine info?

It's a toughie...

Logic and Roberto Mancini say he'll stay. Mancini's comments to the Italian media are as forthright as you can get

Tevez and Dzeko will stay at Manchester City

Pretty much ensures that RVP will stay at Arsenal, or go elsewhere because Mario and Sergio are going nowhere.

If you were City manager the risk would be that Tevez continues to agitate for a move, but if you were convinced he'd stay then you'd be mad to replace him. He is the best full stop

If only managers, and everyone in football, always told the truth..

 

[Marvin]

It isn't realistic to keep both Carlos and Edin. Unless Edin doesn't mind being 4th striker and getting the odd start here and there.

It is if you are playing in the Champions League and FA Cup. Tevez can play in midfield too.

 

[bell_mcfc]

The deal for RVP, if there ever was one, is dead in the water

I think City and Mancini were waiting to see Tevez's attitude in training and to sus out if we were going to have a repeat of last Summer and the transfer requests.

So we keep the best strike-force in the Premiership together, and concentrate on strengthening one or two positions if possible. This is the best outcome possible

I wouldn't underestimate Balotelli's impact at the Euro's either. Maybe Mancini saw enough to convince him how much of a role he can play next season.

Thats a great point, Balotelli did finally deliver and show the potential that Mancini always saw in him. I dont think he actually would off left but that combined with the new look attitude of Tevez made Mancini seriously think about our striking options. If we replce Dzeko surely it would be with a similar sort off player, that that extra option off playing it in the air. But i really like Dzeko, partly because he's a nice guy and i think he is a good player that has alot more to offer than just the aerial game, see forth goal against spurs. He obvisously works on confidence which will always be an issue with a squad that rotates, and no quality out and out wingers.

 

[robbieh]

It isn't realistic to keep both Carlos and Edin. Unless Edin doesn't mind being 4th striker and getting the odd start here and there.

It is if you are playing in the Champions League and FA Cup. Tevez can play in midfield too.

To be honest. Kun, Mario, RVP and Tevez does look a tad excessive. Madrid have Benzema, Higuain and Ronaldo. Barca Messi, Villa and ???? Chelsea Sturridge, Torres.

Why do we need 4 world class strikers when no other team in the world has even two, apart from Madrid.

 

[Marvin]

It isn't realistic to keep both Carlos and Edin. Unless Edin doesn't mind being 4th striker and getting the odd start here and there.

It is if you are playing in the Champions League and FA Cup. Tevez can play in midfield too.

To be honest. Kun, Mario, RVP and Tevez does look a tad excessive. Madrid have Benzema, Higuain and Ronaldo. Barca Messi, Villa and ???? Chelsea Sturridge, Torres.

Why do we need 4 world class strikers when no other team in the world has even two, apart from Madrid.

You need 4 in England. When Utd won the treble they had 4. last season they had 7 though the weren't all top class<br /><br />-- Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:18 pm --<br /><br />

Hmmmmm, do I believe your wishful thinking or Tolmie's genuine info?

It's a toughie...

Logic and Roberto Mancini say he'll stay. Mancini's comments to the Italian media are as forthright as you can get

Tevez and Dzeko will stay at Manchester City

Pretty much ensures that RVP will stay at Arsenal, or go elsewhere because Mario and Sergio are going nowhere.

If you were City manager the risk would be that Tevez continues to agitate for a move, but if you were convinced he'd stay then you'd be mad to replace him. He is the best full stop

If only managers, and everyone in football, always told the truth..

If the reports are accurate and up to date then they are very significant

 

[robbieh]

It is if you are playing in the Champions League and FA Cup. Tevez can play in midfield too.

To be honest. Kun, Mario, RVP and Tevez does look a tad excessive. Madrid have Benzema, Higuain and Ronaldo. Barca Messi, Villa and ???? Chelsea Sturridge, Torres.

Why do we need 4 world class strikers when no other team in the world has even two, apart from Madrid.

You need 4 in England. When Utd won the treble they had 4. last season they had 7 though the weren't all top class

I actually don't think Utd have 4 world class strikers. At a pinch Rooney. But to put Welbeck and the mexican in the same bracket as our quartet, or Benzema, Ronaldo, Messi is ridiculous. Nor did Chelsea when they won the PL two years ago. Drogba, Anelka and ???

 

[Neville Kneville]

It isn't realistic to keep both Carlos and Edin. Unless Edin doesn't mind being 4th striker and getting the odd start here and there.

It is if you are playing in the Champions League and FA Cup. Tevez can play in midfield too.

Also, why do some people think these players have to leave now ?

Dzeko may be unhappy at being 4th choice last season but that doesn't automatically mean he isn't willing to fight for his place try & get more games.

He may think he can get in the team more often & do better. We are Champions & pay big wages & are trying to win the Champion's League. Mancini is saying how this is a big season for Balotelli, if he goes mental, Dzeko may get his job & Mario may go.

I don't know what will happen, but if I was Dzeko or Tevez, I'd be perfectly happy to at least try to get games at City. If it doesn't work out, then I could leave next season, when incidentally, RVP would be available to sign for whoever he wants, if still at Arsenal.