Rochester And Strood By-Election

[The perfect fumble]

Labour offer nothing for working class people anymore and are seen as more of the london elite, they are no different from the tories ( middle class snobs) . Most of them have no idea what being or life is like for working class people. Same for all the parties. I think Ukip are really tapping into voters fears about immigration swell as being something different. Thats why people are voting for them.

And, unfortunately, there is the truth.

Christ on a bike!.......

 

[mackenzie]

Labour offer nothing for working class people anymore and are seen as more of the london elite, they are no different from the tories ( middle class snobs) . Most of them have no idea what being or life is like for working class people. Same for all the parties. I think Ukip are really tapping into voters fears about immigration swell as being something different. Thats why people are voting for them.

And, unfortunately, there is the truth.

Christ on a bike!.......

Who said we are doomed? But It's the truth and ignoring it doesn't mean it will go away.

 

[sir baconface]

Just Heard Milliband bubbling away. Apparently the first thing he thinks of when seeing England flags hanging out of windows is ...how much he respects the owners.

This says three things:

1) He's a liar.
2) He and his ilk don't get why voters are turning against the snake-oil salesmen, and
2) The political establishment are in cack mode.

 

[mackenzie]

Just Heard Milliband bubbling away. Apparently the first thing he thinks of when seeing England flags hanging out of windows is ...how much he respects the owners.

This says three things:

1) He's a liar.
2) He and his ilk don't get why voters are turning against the snake-oil salesmen, and
2) The political establishment are in cack mode.

4) damage limitation.

Cameron, or any of the other leaders (Farage included) would have done the same if one of their party had done something similar.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

[Ah the old aging population chestnut its cracking cop out import millions of people who magically don't grow old or put off a minor problem for 40 years and end up with one 5 times as big, whats your solution going to be then, Followed up by workers who work cheap don't keep wages down brilliant deduction Sherlock. then the classic we'll lose foreign investment and skilled workers if we leave the E.U. well let me let you into a big secret we've lost millions of skilled workers since joining the bloody E.U. and gained millions of unskilled ones and remember one thing they sell us vastly more than we sell them do you think Germany and France will want to lose the millions of jobs they gained selling to Britain I think not.

1 Most immigrants from the EU don't stay here permanently. Most make a few quid whilst paying UK taxes then go home.
In effect they don't grow old and that's not magic. The ones that stay until and beyond retirement age will have paid
taxation here for most of their lives despite us not paying for their education. Immigrants also tend to have higher birth rates
than the "indigenous" population so we are not building up a 40 year time bomb.

2 We've lost millions of skilled jobs because the economy has changed due to globalisation and technological advance.
UK ship building for instance is largely a thing of the past and car factories mainly "employ" robots.
The overall position has been made worse by successive governments of both left and right who have overplayed the
contribution of Financial Services. Cameron has at least acknowledged that this is a problem and is trying to rebalance
the structure of the economy and the north/south divide through, for example, proposals like HS2,HS3 and devolution.
Most jobs created in the last 30 years have been in the service sector and are low paid regardless of who is doing them.

3 If you really want to see job loses on a grand scale and factories relocating to the continent then lets leave the EU
on really bad terms and get in a trade war with them. The reality is we are just a small part of the overall EU market. Some
(foreign owned) factories have been highly successful here and do export around the world but the EU is their bread and butter.
Lose the EU market and we lose a lot of factories. Germany and France aren't particularly bothered if we leave or stay, most of the
jobs would go to Eastern Europe.

 

[Chancy Termites]

You think that HS2 is for the benefit of the rest of the UK, not for the benefit of London? Really?

 

[Ducado]

The political parties have only themselves to blame for this, they have become far to detached from the electorate, I blame the rise of the professional politician and the media bubble they live in

 

[i kne albert davy]

[Ah the old aging population chestnut its cracking cop out import millions of people who magically don't grow old or put off a minor problem for 40 years and end up with one 5 times as big, whats your solution going to be then, Followed up by workers who work cheap don't keep wages down brilliant deduction Sherlock. then the classic we'll lose foreign investment and skilled workers if we leave the E.U. well let me let you into a big secret we've lost millions of skilled workers since joining the bloody E.U. and gained millions of unskilled ones and remember one thing they sell us vastly more than we sell them do you think Germany and France will want to lose the millions of jobs they gained selling to Britain I think not.

1 Most immigrants from the EU don't stay here permanently. Most make a few quid whilst paying UK taxes then go home.
In effect they don't grow old and that's not magic. The ones that stay until and beyond retirement age will have paid
taxation here for most of their lives despite us not paying for their education. Immigrants also tend to have higher birth rates
than the "indigenous" population so we are not building up a 40 year time bomb.

2 We've lost millions of skilled jobs because the economy has changed due to globalisation and technological advance.
UK ship building for instance is largely a thing of the past and car factories mainly "employ" robots.
The overall position has been made worse by successive governments of both left and right who have overplayed the
contribution of Financial Services. Cameron has at least acknowledged that this is a problem and is trying to rebalance
the structure of the economy and the north/south divide through, for example, proposals like HS2,HS3 and devolution.
Most jobs created in the last 30 years have been in the service sector and are low paid regardless of who is doing them.

3 If you really want to see job loses on a grand scale and factories relocating to the continent then lets leave the EU
on really bad terms and get in a trade war with them. The reality is we are just a small part of the overall EU market. Some
(foreign owned) factories have been highly successful here and do export around the world but the EU is their bread and butter.
Lose the EU market and we lose a lot of factories. Germany and France aren't particularly bothered if we leave or stay, most of the
jobs would go to Eastern Europe.

You actually believe some of that amazing what propaganda can do ain't it.
Immigrant's will go home before they get old er right I'll believe that when I see it
They have higher birthrates so we ain't storing up a 40 year time bomb, must be hundred year then either that or we end up with hundreds of millions of people on a small island that should improve living standards no end.
Globalization destroyed British industry if by that people will work for next to nowt with no safety standards elsewhere yes i'll agreed strange how its not decimated Germany and Frances heavy industry though a'int it.
Germany and France ain't bothered if we leave the E.U. wait until they pay fully for the shambles if we leave. the E.U. in its present form will collapse.

 

[glyncity]

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[Wilf Wild 1937]

You think that HS2 is for the benefit of the rest of the UK, not for the benefit of London? Really?

Both but the greatest gains are likely to be outside London. The construction phase alone will create a lot of jobs.

A direct link to the Channel Tunnel would have been my preferred option but if HS2 and HS3 are both built a "northern powerhouse"
to counterbalance London is possible in time. The Midlands, being closer to London, may be more problematic and I concede there
is a danger that Birmingham could become in effect a suburb of London. The government needs to do what it can to stimulate job
creation in that region to prevent that happening.

Sheikh Mansour is rumoured to be looking at office development around the planned expansion to Piccadilly Station.
If he thought Manchester was a lame duck city he wouldn't be investing as much as he is in redeveloping East Manchester.
Things are pretty shit at the moment and are likely to remain so for quite some time. We have a large national debt and a
large deficit but if people are willing to wait the long term future is bright especially for people in this city.

UKIP is not the answer. When Farage was asked about Devolution to Manchester he said "No that's not what people want,
the people want an English Parliament with English votes for English issues". He didn't say where he'd base this Parliament
but you can take it as read it would be in Westminster. I'm not surprised he was nearly attacked when he went up to Scotland.
He's a "Little Englander" born in Kent, educated at Dulwich College who worked in the City of London. Does anybody honestly
think that he doesn't look down his nose at the rest of the country in the same way as the Islington elite who dominate politics
in the three main parties? At least they are now aware that they've got a problem and belatedly are trying to solve it. People in
Greater Manchester should all hope the Tories win the next election. They'll throw billions at us to make sure their City Region
idea works. We are the prototype and they can't afford to let it fail. George Osborne, who is MP for Tatton, wants to succeed
Cameron and win votes in the North. Let Manchester get it's snout in the trough for once!