Running thread

Virtual manchester today a week after virtual london, didnt have enough fluids before the run or any fuel, headphones ran out of charge at mile 12, trails were packed with day walkers, legs fell apart around mile 19 due to lack of fuel or fluids, just about got a sub 4 but it was a battle, did 3.24 last week so have to be happy with a sub 4 this week, onto dublin virtual in two weeks, gonna fuel for that one
 
somapop said:
Pace wise felt just about right. Slower than my 5-7k runs I do a few times a week. Didn’t properly eat/drink beforehand as I only intended doing a 5k.
Felt those feel good chems though and they lasted most of the weekend (which is why I’m keen to up my running game).

the idea of a marathon has (for the first) become more of a serious endeavour for me.
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Ok A few 5-7k runs a week is a good base with the longer run at weekend, say 12k.

Ideally run regularly like this for 12-18 months with increasing mileage to build up to 10k and half marathon races before stepping up to marathon training.

Then follow a proper marathon training plan and jobs a good un.
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
Ok A few 5-7k runs a week is a good base with the longer run at weekend, say 12k.

Ideally run regularly like this for 12-18 months with increasing mileage to build up to 10k and half marathon races before stepping up to marathon training.

Then follow a proper marathon training plan and jobs a good un.
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Sounds like a plan. I did use to pepper the weeks with a 10k run, sometimes 15k but then starting loving the gym (which I miss and will go back but running is a great, often grounding friend).

As a matter of interest wha are the issues with running a half marathon every month? I’m actually looking forward to the next one already but more the chemical buzz during after after rather then the achievement.
 
somapop said:
Sounds like a plan. I did use to pepper the weeks with a 10k run, sometimes 15k but then starting loving the gym (which I miss and will go back but running is a great, often grounding friend).

As a matter of interest wha are the issues with running a half marathon every month? I’m actually looking forward to the next one already but more the chemical buzz during after after rather then the achievement
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There is nothing necessarily wrong with running a HM every month, as long as you have built up to it and it's about 30% of typical weekly mileage. I'm just advocating a cautious approach to reduce the chance of injury. Like anything, too much is bad and it's best to balance it with gym work too. I do regular weight training but not enough and I probably run too much for optimum fitness. But I like running. I don't like weight training.

I followed the following training plan and adapted it over the years for various marathons. There's loads more info here than I can post:-

Marathon Training for All Skill Levels | Hal Higdon

Author of several books on the marathon, including the best-selling Marathon: The Ultimate Training Guide, Hal Higdon guides first-timers and experienced racers alike to achieve their 26.2 goals.
www.halhigdon.com www.halhigdon.com
 
I had to join the gym (not really wanting to) as I had a labral tear (had MRI scan). Surgery not really recommended and the more I read it about the better I feel about not going down that route.
Instead the recommendations was to build up my core with strength training. I joined the local gym and fell in love with it. It ended up becoming more like a community centre in some respects. Made new friends (staff and punters) but really got my strength up. Also took part in yoga and pilates (and hey...the women there :) ).

I haven't been back since the pandemic kicked in and I suspect I won't return until next year for a few reasons.
Legs felt way better although as I was bulking up with muscle a bit, my running slowed down.

I've fallen back in love with running however, and that half the other evening left me high for days (at a time when I need these highs).

Spoke with a mate and we're looking at a marathon next year now...it's sorted us both out.

Will lift my running distances up but would love to do a half a month from now on.
As a matter of opinion, how would you suggest fuelling/hyrdrating during a half? Worth getting a fuel vest for that distance or just take some gels? I definitely run better in the autumn/winter as it's far cooler.

Thanks.
 
somapop said:
Spoke with a mate and we're looking at a marathon next year now...it's sorted us both out.

Will lift my running distances up but would love to do a half a month from now on.
As a matter of opinion, how would you suggest fuelling/hyrdrating during a half? Worth getting a fuel vest for that distance or just take some gels? I definitely run better in the autumn/winter as it's far cooler.

Thanks.
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Personally mate I dont think you really need to be worrying about hydration/fuel for half marathon distance, as long as your well fed and hydrated before you start you should be fine.
The weather isnt going to be hot for a while now so its unlikely you will be sweating buckets whilst running so that kind of removes the need to rehydrate, and fuel wise I think a lot of folk put too much emphasis on it, as long as your glycerine stores are full before you go its unlikely you will need to be scoffing a load of food down as your running, I see folk saying they basically taking a picnic with them, and just dont get it.
I did tge london virtual marathon last week taking nothing and was fine, then did the manchester one on sunday and again took nothing but failed to hydrate/fuel up beforehand and paid for it in the later miles. Just fuel and hydrate before and you'll be fine
 
Love that succinct advice mate.
How do you grab your glycerin btw?

I once did a 100 mile bike ride (the Manchester 100) on a dodgy mountain bike.
By mile 50 I couldn't walk or barely see. Fuel station in a school provided me with about 10 flapjacks and I was right as rain 10 mins later. Bonking in cycling terms.
Nosh a snickers bar and a good glug of water before I embark (this is a half I'm referring too)?

Incredible you doing two marathons so close...I'll be tapping you for advice over the coming months.
Thanks mate.
 
somapop said:
Love that succinct advice mate.
How do you grab your glycerin btw?

I once did a 100 mile bike ride (the Manchester 100) on a dodgy mountain bike.
By mile 50 I couldn't walk or barely see. Fuel station in a school provided me with about 10 flapjacks and I was right as rain 10 mins later. Bonking in cycling terms.
Nosh a snickers bar and a good glug of water before I embark (this is a half I'm referring too)?

Incredible you doing two marathons so close...I'll be tapping you for advice over the coming months.
Thanks mate.
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Haha Im no expert mate, theres far more experienced lads on here than me, that will probably say in true bluemoon style that Im talking shite!!
The whole food hydration thing is a big personal opinion thing, only you know how yer body works, i eat fairly well in the days coming up to a run and generally like to get out for a big run early, say 4.30am(people cant half ruin a good run!!) so dont really eat straight before a run, just rely on what you have stored up from the days before.
In fairness I could be doing it totally wrong, but it works for me.
 
I think I ve said it before on here. I think there is no need for gels or food in training up to two hours and racing up to half marathon distance.....assuming HM done at least around the 90 minutes mark. You may need water in training over an hour ......if it's warm....sometimes I carry a bottle with a handle if going on very long trail runs. Train your body to run without the need for food. And I stick to foods like porridge, nuts and banannas and drinks like water, milk, tea or coffee.

Forget the gels and sports drinks .....apart from the second haf of the marathon or post 20 miles when things start to get desperate!!
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
I think I ve said it before on here. I think there is no need for gels or food in training up to two hours and racing up to half marathon distance.....assuming HM done at least around the 90 minutes mark. You may need water in training over an hour ......if it's warm....sometimes I carry a bottle with a handle if going on very long trail runs. Train your body to run without the need for food. And I stick to foods like porridge, nuts and banannas and drinks like water, milk, tea or coffee.

Forget the gels and sports drinks .....apart from the second haf of the marathon or post 20 miles when things start to get desperate!!
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90 mins....jeez. The last one on Friday was 1Hr 56 mins and I though that pace wasn't too shoddy over that distance!

I do eat a lot of porridge, banana etc tbf. As mentioned above, when I get in on Friday I had this really quick burst of Flu feeling (shivery could barely eat) but after ramming some food home I was on the up quite rapidly.
Thanks mate.
 
somapop said:
90 mins....jeez. The last one on Friday was 1Hr 56 mins and I though that pace wasn't too shoddy over that distance!

I do eat a lot of porridge, banana etc tbf. As mentioned above, when I get in on Friday I had this really quick burst of Flu feeling (shivery could barely eat) but after ramming some food home I was on the up quite rapidly.
Thanks mate.
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Quick burst of flu? Like Donald`s quick burst of covid?

Race pace for a HM could be a lot quicker than long run training pace....especially if you trained to aim for a good time rather than just completing the distance. All part of the training over years rather than weeks.
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
Quick burst of flu? Like Donald`s quick burst of covid?

Race pace for a HM could be a lot quicker than long run training pace....especially if you trained to aim for a good time rather than just completing the distance. All part of the training over years rather than weeks.
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Very strange feeling: nauseous, shivery and v hungry (but struggled to eat). Lasted about 15-20 mins if I recall, but as mentioned above possibly due to exhaustion (probably hadn't eaten for a while).

Speaking to a mate who took up running over the past couple of years like myself and we're now planning a marathon, hopefully next year.
Starter tips & advice welcome as ever.
This will be another good focus for me during this utter shitstorm of a year.
 
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