Russia detects possible signal from "sun like star"

[Magicpole]

Good post mate.

That UFO sighting I saw was when fishing on a pond in Stalybridge next to Cheethams park. IIRC, it was August, still of the night. Nothing happening fishing wise, no bites. I wandered over to my mate Tony fishing about 30 yards away. Had a brew and was having a chat about nothing in particular. All of a sudden from nowhere an intense white orb appeared, hard to judge how far away though, but close enough to notice it kind of swirling around(hard to explain really) on the spot for what seemed 10-20 seconds. after that it shot off into the distance to disappear so fast it was hard to see it shoot off. Myself and Tony stared at each other drop jawed in amazement uttering something like "wtf was that?" 2-3 hours later it came on Piccadilly radio news that several people reported seeing what we saw.

Tbh, Ive not thought about UFOs/aliens much for several years so I'm not obsessed and deluded like some claiming to be abducted bummed etc. But if I get the time, I'll try and research into what I saw back then. I don't mind piss taking banter but I haven't wrote this to be ridiculed as some fucking idiot.
Been too busy with goings on in this mortal coil planet earth since then, work family following 'typical City' fishing etc...

As for religion, nope not me. Not saying there isn't god, but religion has caused too many wars throughout the ages and I'm a pacifist at heart...

Religion and gods have been with humanity as a way of explaining what knowledge at the time could not. It us still used this way.
There are currently 10,000 gods kicking about up there. Even the most fanatically religious person is an Athiest to 9,999 of them.

But, theirs is the real one. Who knew?

How convenient for you to be born in the country that had that winning ticket?

Problem is, the other religions feel exactly the same.

They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. And they are. A man made invention to keep us in line. To stabilise power and wealth. To remove the fear of death and comfort us that we will see loved ones again in heaven which is a normal human hope.

That we want it, that we believe it, doesn't make it real.

Would be interested to read what you find out about the thing you saw.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Due to the size of the observable universe alone there could be millions of civilisations at the one time. The problem is the vast distances between them. If a billion civilisations exist right now and are all sending signals it would still take millions of years to get here.

Begs the question though, what about the signals other civilisations sent millions or even billions of years ago, which would have arrived by now? Have we missed them, or have no such signals been sent?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Religion and gods have been with humanity as a way of explaining what knowledge at the time could not. It us still used this way.
There are currently 10,000 gods kicking about up there. Even the most fanatically religious person is an Athiest to 9,999 of them.

But, theirs is the real one. Who knew?

How convenient for you to be born in the country that had that winning ticket?

Problem is, the other religions feel exactly the same.

They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. And they are. A man made invention to keep us in line. To stabilise power and wealth. To remove the fear of death and comfort us that we will see loved ones again in heaven which is a normal human hope.

That we want it, that we believe it, doesn't make it real.

Would be interested to read what you find out about the thing you saw.

All true.

 

[yeseye]

I guess you guys have perhaps not heard of the Drake equation?

The Drake equation is a probabilistic argument used to arrive at an estimate of the number of active, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy.[1][2] The number of such civilizations, N, is assumed to be equal to the mathematical product of

• (i) the average rate of star formation, R*, in our galaxy,
• (ii) the fraction of formed stars, fp, that have planets,
• (iii) the average number of planets per star, ne, that can potentially support life,
• (iv) the fraction of those planets, fl, that actually develop life,
• (v) the fraction of planets bearing life on which intelligent, civilized life, fi, has developed,
• (vi) the fraction of these civilizations that have developed communications, fc, i.e., technologies that release detectable signs into space, and
• (vii) the length of time, L, over which such civilizations release detectable signals, for a combined expression of:

Ah, it all makes sense now, thanks.

 

[Magicpole]

I guess you guys have perhaps not heard of the Drake equation?

The Drake equation is a probabilistic argument used to arrive at an estimate of the number of active, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy.[1][2] The number of such civilizations, N, is assumed to be equal to the mathematical product of

• (i) the average rate of star formation, R*, in our galaxy,
• (ii) the fraction of formed stars, fp, that have planets,
• (iii) the average number of planets per star, ne, that can potentially support life,
• (iv) the fraction of those planets, fl, that actually develop life,
• (v) the fraction of planets bearing life on which intelligent, civilized life, fi, has developed,
• (vi) the fraction of these civilizations that have developed communications, fc, i.e., technologies that release detectable signs into space, and
• (vii) the length of time, L, over which such civilizations release detectable signals, for a combined expression of:

I am aware of drake.

His brother Charlie was a also a personal favourite.

 

[Magicpole]

Begs the question though, what about the signals other civilisations sent millions or even billions of years ago, which would have arrived by now? Have we missed them, or have no such signals been sent?

The answer is we don't know. So far we haven't received anything. As I said in an earlier post the laws of physics are constant across the universe. So the means if communication, light, infra red, radio and gamma are the same.

Some try to subvert this by stating that some civilisations would be so advanced that they have developed systems of communication we cannot detect.

Why?

The clue is in the word, communication. A signal that cannot be detected is not communication. If we are so advanced we would rightly conjecture that not all possible civilisations would have reached our level so an intelligent response would include all the earliest forms to ensure species like us could hear them.

The fact we haven't may well be a time thing, they could be nearly here.

 

[Dave S]

Watch Fastwalkers documentary or Out of the Blue on YouTube. It might open your eyes.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The interesting thing for me is what will happen over the next 10, 20, 50, 100 years.

The problem is the universe is so monumentally vast and our solar system so spectacularly uninteresting to any external observer. They would have no reason to be interested in trying to communicate with our dull and boring planet, which is only 1 of 8 or 9 planets orbiting a very boring and ordinary star which is one of 100 million stars in a very boring and ordinary galaxy which is 1 of 1,000 billion galaxies.

Until now.

On Christmas Eve 1906, man made the first ever radio broadcast from our planet. Those signals emitted back then started their journey off into space, radiating from our planet at 186,000 miles per second. There's an imaginary sphere surrounding our planet that is 110 light years in radius, which represents how far these signals have now reached. Any civilization more than 110 light years away, has no idea that there is intelligent life on our planet, because the radio signal hasn't reached them yet. But anyone inside the sphere, has been sent a big fat "hello, we're here" message.

It's possible a civilization 100 light years away has heard us, and has replied. But their reply is winging it's way back at the speed of light and will take another 100 years to reach us. So we wait.

The problem is the 100 light year sphere is really not very big, when you consider that just our own boring galaxy is 100,000 light years across. Our signals have only reached a few thousand stars, which is clearly not many. But as every year passes, this imaginary sphere gets bigger and bigger and the chances of someone hearing us goes up and up.

The hope is that a friendly civilization will notice and will find us interesting and will want to visit. But let's not forget that it's entirely possible that a Vogon battlecruiser may turn up to obliterate the earth!

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I am aware of drake.

His brother Charlie was a also a personal favourite.

Lol. Used to see him almost annually in panto at Davenport theatre Stockport when I was a youngser in the early 70's. Never heard much about him since. Closet paedo perhaps.

 

[TCIB]

The Drake equation needs updating apparently, it does not take into account a fair few variables we now know affect stellar and planetary evolution. What science says is it is now not a conservative estimate but a very generous one which is fair enough i guess.

Regarding signals and such, many scientists believe that we are some of the first advanced life forms to have made it. Most likely not the only ones but among the first advanced forms of life. if that is true then given the size of just our galaxy it would make sense we miss each other pretty easily. There is still the possibility of a brown dwarf on an extreme 25mil year orbit around our sun, that is to say there is an awful lot we do not know. The first signal powerful enough to blast into deep space was Hitlers speech at the Olympics so that may be why they have stayed away :-D

My opinion is simple distance and time, we have just not been around long enough. I often wonder if other advanced life has existed and had all the struggles and dynamics we have only to be gone with no evidence left for them ever existing. Maybe our future selves can see back to us but have a pact never to interfere, a bit like Star Trek and their rules for dealing with other civilizations.