Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

A UN peacekeeping force needs to be authorised by the UNSC, and Russia wields its veto there so whilst russia remains a permanent member of the UNSC it’s a non starter. That’s before you get into the complexities of a UN force in a war being waged between two sovereign states - I can only think of occasions where the UN has used peacekeepers in civil conflicts.

Agree its basically a proxy war right now where the west are backing Ukraine. If you put any other force in there its hard to see how it doesn't escalate. The best option is a Ukraine military victory but Putin has massive military resources - this could go on for years.

Sanctions are key - we basically have to make it so hard for the Putin regime to continue that something changes. An assassination attempt or something like that.

 

[RobMCFC]

Herr Merkel made Germany reliant on Russia for energy and fuel.

Now politicians are dressing up this disaster by pushing for "green initiatives" using climate change as an excuse to move away from her balls up.

Germany has sent circa £30bn to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

Herr Schroeder, surely?

 

[Corky]

Herr Merkel made Germany reliant on Russia for energy and fuel.

Now politicians are dressing up this disaster by pushing for "green initiatives" using climate change as an excuse to move away from her balls up.

Germany has sent circa £30bn to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

Frau Merkel, she is quite famous so hard to get that wrong.

Even during the Crimean war Britain and Russia continued to pay each other for obligations and debts.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Herr Merkel made Germany reliant on Russia for energy and fuel.

Now politicians are dressing up this disaster by pushing for "green initiatives" using climate change as an excuse to move away from her balls up.

Germany has sent circa £30bn to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

In fairness to Germany I have heard one commentator liken trying to get russian influence/dependence out of Europe to trying to remove the eggs from a cake after it's been baked. The (silly) Germans binned nuclear after Fukushima and ended up reliant on russian gas. Unless they want to freeze their own population to death and cause a reactionary swing to the adf, then we'll have to accept it will take them time to shift their energy dependency.

 

[Protein Junkie]

Agree its basically a proxy war right now where the west are backing Ukraine. If you put any other force in there its hard to see how it doesn't escalate. The best option is a Ukraine military victory but Putin has massive military resources - this could go on for years.

Sanctions are key - we basically have to make it so hard for the Putin regime to continue that something changes. An assassination attempt or something like that.

It’s only a half proxy war without being pedantic and that’s what’s making it so high profile.
This could indeed last for years and what would that do in terms of a retained cohesive Western response ?
As the vast majority know, NATO will not intervene in Ukraine.
@domalino is right in my eyes - arm Ukraine to the teeth.
The number of civilian deaths is something I cannot find the right word for. However to say NATO troops on the ground will make the current situation seem like a tea party.
Like you, the way I see it is to cut Russia completely and hope the mechanics within orchestrate change.
Having said all that it’s only my limited yet enthusiastic look at geo-politics.

 

[shemnel]

Herr Merkel made Germany reliant on Russia for energy and fuel.

Now politicians are dressing up this disaster by pushing for "green initiatives" using climate change as an excuse to move away from her balls up.

Germany has sent circa £30bn to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine.

how did you reach this figure?

 

[mosssideblue]

Agree its basically a proxy war right now where the west are backing Ukraine. If you put any other force in there its hard to see how it doesn't escalate. The best option is a Ukraine military victory but Putin has massive military resources - this could go on for years.

Sanctions are key - we basically have to make it so hard for the Putin regime to continue that something changes. An assassination attempt or something like that.

Doesn't the west's continuation of supplying weapons and intelligence to Ukraine result in escalation to Putin, particularly if he continues to het his arse kicked in theatre?

 

[metalblue]

Agree its basically a proxy war right now where the west are backing Ukraine. If you put any other force in there its hard to see how it doesn't escalate. The best option is a Ukraine military victory but Putin has massive military resources - this could go on for years.

Sanctions are key - we basically have to make it so hard for the Putin regime to continue that something changes. An assassination attempt or something like that.

Sanctions are impacting Russias ability to repair and replace lost military hardware. Ukraine will have a never ending supply and support from the west. If they can hold on for the next few weeks then you feel they will hold the current lines. The big change needs to be giving Ukraine offensive weapons rather than defensive only if they are to have any chance of pushing Russia back to their border. The Czechs are showing the way by sending tanks, obviously Ukrainian troops are well versed in only certain military hardware but was pleased to read earlier the US are training some Ukrainian troops on new suicide drones.

Lifting the thinking above the tragic cost in Ukraine to the global landscape this is a good way of the west testing their military hardware against Russia by arming a well disciplined and effective Ukrainian army with a bit of everything. Even now you have to think the way the Russian stuff has been wiped by west defensive weapons would make China think twice about the effectiveness of their own shit given they copied Russian stuff which has proven to be…well a bit shit.

 

[mosssideblue]

It’s only a half proxy war without being pedantic and that’s what’s making it so high profile.
This could indeed last for years and what would that do in terms of a retained cohesive Western response ?
As the vast majority know, NATO will not intervene in Ukraine.
@domalino is right in my eyes - arm Ukraine to the teeth.
The number of civilian deaths is something I cannot find the right word for. However to say NATO troops on the ground will make the current situation seem like a tea party.
Like you, the way I see it is to cut Russia completely and hope the mechanics within orchestrate change.
Having said all that it’s only my limited yet enthusiastic look at geo-politics.

That wasn't the inference from Biden the other week when the discussion of dirty weapons being used by the Russians was mentioned

 

[Protein Junkie]

Doesn't the west's continuation of supplying weapons and intelligence to Ukraine result in escalation to Putin, particularly if he continues to het his arse kicked in theatre?

Who knows ? Putins mindset is fluid and a kaleidoscope of ever changing rationale.
He knows full well where the Red Lines are in relation to the West.
Short of starting WW3 there’s fuck all he can do about sharing intel and providing weapons.