Russian invasion of Ukraine

[ChicagoBlue]

Would you be willing to die against odds that cant be overcome?

Not for me, pointless.

Churchillian, you are not!

Can you already speak Russian?

 

[urban genie]

Would you be willing to die against odds that cant be overcome?

Not for me, pointless.

Put the were in NATO so won't happen bit aside

If another country invaded the UK would you fight to protect it, or surrender and let them occupy and rule?

Most would fight, some would not.

 

[mosssideblue]

I think that is the most diplomatic solution and for the life of me I can not understand why this has not be agreed by both sides as a way out of this mess.I appreciate that I am ignoring the Ukrainian's wishes here, but for the benefit of peace for their nation surely they can see this is a good all round solution too ??

Has it gone past that now. Putin has showed his hand in wanting Ukraine. Cannot see him withdrawing on the basis Ukraine promises not to join NATO

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I doubt it would have made a difference, the whole 'nato' thing was a red herring.

Putin wants the Soviet Union back together.

Quite, it's a bizarre suggestion.

If:
Ukraine says they won't join NATO, Putin puts say, 100k troops on the border.
"Hey, what are you doing?" says Ukraine.
"Well, you're not joining NATO, you agreed, so they have no interest in this region. Thanks for giving up the leverage, but we'll just invade anyway." says Russia.
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Russia has demonstrated that it doesn't care about it's own agreements regarding Ukraine. Why would anyone believe that that would change.
Scorpion and the frog.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

 

[DavidSilvasLeftFoot]

Can we protest Abu Dhabi to sanction Russia ?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Has it gone past that now. Putin has showed his hand in wanting Ukraine. Cannot see him withdrawing on the basis Ukraine promises not to join NATO

It depends who he picks to say it, doesn’t it?

 

[Homar]

Why because of a bully Ukraine has every right to join nato like we have, we don’t live in the 1940’s where one man can try and invade a sovereign country

I hate to break it to you, but Russia is hardly the first country to invade another. The west are far from innocent in this regard. Nevertheless, I don’t think anyone is claiming that Ukraine doesn’t have the right to join whatever alliance it wants. It is now in a position where it must choose between the path that has brought about its invasion or to negotiate its way out.

We sadly still live in a world where the might is right.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Put the were in NATO so won't happen bit aside

If another country invaded the UK would you fight to protect it, or surrender and let them occupy and rule?

Most would fight, some would not.

The dead can't fight.

 

[Homar]

Do you honestly think that’s all Putin wants?

I don’t know, possibly not. But what harm is there taking him at his word? Unless you believe that Ukraine can win this war, what do they stand to lose by calling his possible bluff?