Russian invasion of Ukraine

Quite, it's a bizarre suggestion.

If:
Ukraine says they won't join NATO, Putin puts say, 100k troops on the border.
"Hey, what are you doing?" says Ukraine.
"Well, you're not joining NATO, you agreed, so they have no interest in this region. Thanks for giving up the leverage, but we'll just invade anyway." says Russia.
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Russia has demonstrated that it doesn't care about it's own agreements regarding Ukraine. Why would anyone believe that that would change.
Scorpion and the frog.
I don’t know, possibly not. But what harm is there taking him at his word? Unless you believe that Ukraine can win this war, what do they stand to lose by calling his possible bluff?
Taking Putin at his word?

Since 2007, Putin has been “dismantling the structures designed to keep peace in post-Cold War Europe. Russia formally announced in July 2007 that it would no longer adhere to the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty. It continued to reject the principle of host-nation consent for its troop presence in Georgia and Moldova, and began ignoring Vienna Convention limits on troop concentrations, exercises and transparency.

In 2008, Russia invaded Georgia, trading its peacekeepers in the regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia for regular military personnel, and driving tanks toward the capital, Tbilisi. Six years later, Russian operatives took over Crimea and rapidly orchestrated its illegal annexation by Russia. Russia followed up with attacks in eastern Ukraine … Later, Russia violated the INF Treaty and began to deny overflights requested under the Open Skies Treaty.”

They’ve been flaunting and breaking the rules for years. Putin used to turn up to conventions and in the last decade has stopped coming. He has no interest whatsoever in what the West or NATO says or wants or would like to keep peace. He’s got his aims and he’s going to go through with them.
 
Clearly telling everyone to stay out of it.....



"Whoever tries to interfere with us, and even more so, to create threats for our country, for our people, should know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences that you have never experienced in your history.

"We are ready for any development of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made."
 
I don’t know, possibly not. But what harm is there taking him at his word? Unless you believe that Ukraine can win this war, what do they stand to lose by calling his possible bluff?
We’ve spent the last 10 years letting Putin get his way. Putin has made it very clear that he doesn’t recognise Ukraine as a sovereign nation. Any concessions encourages him to go further. There is absolutely no evidence that giving in to any of his bullshit demands will stop this. It is far more likely he’d see it as western weakness and go further.
 
Clearly telling everyone to stay out of it.....



"Whoever tries to interfere with us, and even more so, to create threats for our country, for our people, should know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences that you have never experienced in your history.

"We are ready for any development of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made."
He’s about ten steps ahead of all of us as well. No matter what we do, he’s got a plan and all of them are bad for us.
 
Clearly telling everyone to stay out of it.....



"Whoever tries to interfere with us, and even more so, to create threats for our country, for our people, should know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences that you have never experienced in your history.

"We are ready for any development of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made."
Said every bully ever.

Sooner or later, someone stands up to them.
 
Ukraine has been worried about Russia for decades and it’s why they were thinking of joining NATO.

Russia moans that it’s NATO that are creeping up to Russia when it’s Ukraine that’s worried that Russia will invade.
Surely both can be true? Ignoring the concerns of the other side is a great way to start a conflict. If you make an honest effort to allay their fears, and they still invade, then their rationale is clear.
 

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