Russian invasion of Ukraine

[BerkshireBlue]

A surface to air missile…

which both countries use. Russia use it as a surface to land attack and Ukraine use it as a surface to air attack.

 

[Gabriel]

It continues to be Ukraine’s fight and NATO’s support is already proving decisive. Any escalation would only play into Russia’s desperate hand, so what is needed are cool heads and a commitment to see the job done.

Saving that last clause for the match day thread…

 

[mosssideblue]

So the theory is that Putin did this in order to provoke Nato and thereby lose the war quicker, which is to his advantage?

OK...

I think you need to re read my post.

 

[fulabeer]

Been on the vodka, comrade?

Reading that, i would suggest something far stronger...!

 

[Blue Mist]

It seems everyone is suggesting it was an anti missile, missile fired by Ukraine.

 

[Dogtanian]

This isn't CSI mate it's real life the only thing they'll have to go off is the fragments which seem to show it's an S300 which both sides have

I thought the s300 is a russian missile can I ask who give Ukraine this?

 

[Koniec]

If you are a book person this is well worth a read. Written a few years ago but could have been written in 2022.

 

[BlueAnorak]

You can sort of see why it might annoy you a bit if your enemy (NATO) suddenly pitches up as your next door neighbour. I get the annoyance but rather than move with the times and actually become part of the new world, they chose to take a route that is 80 years old and decided on extreme violence instead. I understand why Russia is the way it is to a degree after the world wars but they have chosen completely the wrong path here and what they are getting now is their own fault for allowing one man to have so much power for so long. Unfortunately China are following a similar path and that is a big concern to the military here particularly.

If Russia wasn't so aggressive to its neighbours and meddling in their affairs they wouldn't feel the need to join NATO - a purely defensive organisation. But hey ho.

 

[Manchester33]

I don’t think this was mate. At least that’s the tune being played now. Whilst I’m sure many NATO leaders, nay world leaders, are starting to breathe a sigh of relief I do not believe they would cover this up and say it was anything other than the Russians if it was them.

Be interesting to see what Russia makes of this domestically though through the media and telegraph channels - wouldn’t be surprised to see them indicate it was them a sort of “Russian bear hits Poland who cry to US but US too weak to send troops in” narrative

The propaganda the Russians will peddle is “Ukraine fire missiles into NATO, attempting to frame Russia”.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I thought the s300 is a russian missile can I ask who give Ukraine this?

Ukraine bought them from Russia. In fact, as with so much of their missile stocks, a good number of the parts are manufactured by Ukrainian companies.