Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Irwell]

On a more serious note, Biden calling an emergency roundtable at the G20 sounds like they are taking this a bit more seriously than some faulty guidance control.

 

[aguero93:20]

I do shout through his open door that I'm going to do it though and then I run back to my house and phone the police.

I'll give you some bricks if you want them.

 

[Irwell]

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has urged people to remain calm after a Russian-made missile killed two people in a Polish village near the Ukrainian border.

"I am calling on all Poles to remain calm in the face of this tragedy... We must exercise restraint and caution," Morawiecki said after emergency government meetings in Warsaw.

Fair play to him for that level of restraint, not sure I could be quite so calm and rational in the circumstances.

 

[ultimateharold]

Fair play to him for that level of restraint, not sure I could be quite so calm and rational in the circumstances.

There are definitely a 'few' people here who would love nothing more to take a trip north via Kaliningrad, changing at Minsk for final stop Moscow.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Russia does not want NATO in its back yard. Zelensky is a prick by wanting to join NATO. Look at what America did to Vietnam for decades for wanting to become communist/follow Russia. Look at the sanctions still against Cuba for having non free market ideals. Look at what America does with countries in central and southern America when they don’t follow American values, for example Venezuela. Not a fan of Russia but if Canada invited Russian military and presence how would America have reacted. Probably 100 times worse than Russian reaction. In the long Russia will lose this war, particularly as it can’t compete with the backing Ukraine is getting. Zelensky aborts brown nosing America and this NATO wannabe pact the war is over.

Fucking idiot.

 

[blueju]

Russia does not want NATO in its back yard. Zelensky is a prick by wanting to join NATO. Look at what America did to Vietnam for decades for wanting to become communist/follow Russia. Look at the sanctions still against Cuba for having non free market ideals. Look at what America does with countries in central and southern America when they don’t follow American values, for example Venezuela. Not a fan of Russia but if Canada invited Russian military and presence how would America have reacted. Probably 100 times worse than Russian reaction. In the long Russia will lose this war, particularly as it can’t compete with the backing Ukraine is getting. Zelensky aborts brown nosing America and this NATO wannabe pact the war is over.

No NATO and no backing from America and every country in Europe would forever be looking over their shoulder waiting for Russias next land grab.there’s no threat to Russia, nobody wants to invade them , the west are just trying to contain them and their out of control leaders. There’s no reasoning with them and their people apparently are happy for their motherland to take whatever they want in whatever manner they please…until it comes to conscription. Their leader and his lackeys are constantly harping on about lost lands even ones that they invaded in the first place so no doubt if they’d been allowed to just wander in and take Ukraine they’d have carried on taking what they want. A weird brainwashed race with demented leaders, and you think Ukraine didn’t need help?

 

[mosssideblue]

Obviously it's a mistake? Why would it be deliberate?

Putin is getting battered so maybe wants escalation to save face After all, it's not been fought on home soil) He can hardly go to the Russian public at large and say he lost to Ukraine. More palatable to say Russia was taken down by the collective forces of NATO.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Putin is getting battered so maybe wants escalation to save face After all, it's not been fought on home soil) He can hardly go to the Russian public at large and say he lost to Ukraine. More palatable to say Russia was taken down by the collective forces of NATO.

So the theory is that Putin did this in order to provoke Nato and thereby lose the war quicker, which is to his advantage?

OK...

 

[BlueAnorak]

Looks like it was a Ukrainian S-300 air defence missile that was launched to counter the Russisn missile barage and went astray.

Poland missile ‘unlikely’ to have been fired from Russia, Biden says

US president says trajectory of missile suggests it was not launched by Russian forces waging war in Ukraine but will await results of investigation

www.theguardian.com

 

[metalblue]

Looks like it was a Ukrainian S-300 air defence missile that was launched to counter the Russisn missile barage and went astray.

Poland missile ‘unlikely’ to have been fired from Russia, Biden says

US president says trajectory of missile suggests it was not launched by Russian forces waging war in Ukraine but will await results of investigation

www.theguardian.com

Was always one of the viable options of what happened. Accidental.

There was a comment made by a former general of the British army (Mike Jackson maybe, famously refused to start WW3 in Kosovo War) who said that if Putin wanted to escalate by hitting a NATO country targeting a farm probably wouldn’t be top of the Russians list.

I think all sides will be glad, Zelensky obviously less - like Britain (and her foreign volunteers) during WW2 we held the Germans at bay, we got limited battlefield success in North Africa but we needed the US to go beyond mere lend/lease for the war to be turned decisively.