Russian invasion of Ukraine

Paul1970 said:
It will never happen because for one hungary are skint and just imagine if tomorrow they got all the land back hoe would they pay for it! My heart belongs to Hungary but I’m also a realist .
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The vast majority in the indicated area are not Hungarian.
 
BlueAnorak said:
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For eight months, Russia has been attempting to press toward Bakhmut from every direction. This is the location for which the Wagner mercenary group has made repeat visits to Russian prisons, recruiting people to die fighting to obtain the same blocks over and over. It’s also the location where the gain and losses have been measured in such ridiculously small increments that observers have become intimately familiar with what is on each block. The hardware store. The cement factory. Or, to be more honest, they’ve become familiar with what shows up when you look at the map on Google—because all those businesses are now rubble.

In the effort to take Bakhmut, Russia has sometimes blanketed the streets east of the city with bodies. An October advance that seemed to show Russia finally reaching the outer blocks of Bakhmut proper was followed by a swift pushback from Ukraine that drove Wagner out of the town and back to positions it held in August. Then Russia went right back to attacking again.

However, it’s possible that in the last few days, the static situation may have changed.


Really, the situation at Bakhmut has been so static that many analysts have voiced suspicions that Ukraine wants it this way. Perhaps pinning down Wagner Group in futile efforts to capture this one well-fortified area is designed to simply chew through Russian forces and keep some of their most experienced commanders stuck playing supervisor to increasingly worthless troops hurled through a World War I-style no man’s land to their inevitable deaths.



hmm.
 
Blue Mist said:
ISIS destroyed a monument built 3,000 years ago and the world was filled with anger and rage.
Russia bombs an entire city rendering it uninhabitable and Macron wants peace.
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I can understand the desire for peace; the desire to stop the killing of civilians and wanton destruction of entire cities, but I fear any negotiated peace (in the current circumstances) will leave Russia controlling Crimea and Putin and his henchmen unpunished.
Consequently I'll happily watch the Ukraine forces kicking the Russians out of all Ukraine territory, and then hope Russia is internationally isolated until Putin and those involved in war crimes have been punished, and the country has paid for the rebuilding of Ukraine.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
For eight months, Russia has been attempting to press toward Bakhmut from every direction. This is the location for which the Wagner mercenary group has made repeat visits to Russian prisons, recruiting people to die fighting to obtain the same blocks over and over. It’s also the location where the gain and losses have been measured in such ridiculously small increments that observers have become intimately familiar with what is on each block. The hardware store. The cement factory. Or, to be more honest, they’ve become familiar with what shows up when you look at the map on Google—because all those businesses are now rubble.

In the effort to take Bakhmut, Russia has sometimes blanketed the streets east of the city with bodies. An October advance that seemed to show Russia finally reaching the outer blocks of Bakhmut proper was followed by a swift pushback from Ukraine that drove Wagner out of the town and back to positions it held in August. Then Russia went right back to attacking again.

However, it’s possible that in the last few days, the static situation may have changed.


Really, the situation at Bakhmut has been so static that many analysts have voiced suspicions that Ukraine wants it this way. Perhaps pinning down Wagner Group in futile efforts to capture this one well-fortified area is designed to simply chew through Russian forces and keep some of their most experienced commanders stuck playing supervisor to increasingly worthless troops hurled through a World War I-style no man’s land to their inevitable deaths.



hmm.
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Everyone is aware the Wagner group is made up from from Russias worst criminals murderers thugs etc right ? Drafted into the Wagner group to fight and if they survive 6 months on the frontline they gain their freedom. Fucking unbelievable shit how desperate Putin has become and the Wagner leader and very rich man . Even more praise if it is even possible for the brave Ukrainian forces fighting these monsters.
 
Macron needs to be asked one question by the press. Just one.
Anybody with press links. We need to get him to answer this one question.

"If Russia had invaded France and held say 25% of French land. Would he start peace talks to end the war and accept losing that 25%?"
His answer would bring the reality to what he's asking the Ukraine to do.
He wouldn't answer it anyway, as there is no reply that wouldn't lose him credibility.

No other EU country would accept an inch of land to be kept. If France wants to end support fine.
To canvas other countries to support pressure to negotiate is unacceptable.
 
fulabeer said:
Macron needs to be asked one question by the press. Just one.
Anybody with press links. We need to get him to answer this one question.

"If Russia had invaded France and held say 25% of French land. Would he start peace talks to end the war and accept losing that 25%?"
His answer would bring the reality to what he's asking the Ukraine to do.
He wouldn't answer it anyway, as there is no reply that wouldn't lose him credibility.

No other EU country would accept an inch of land to be kept. If France wants to end support fine.
To canvas other countries to support pressure to negotiate is unacceptable.
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He does fit the trad French meme model of a Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey though doesn't he?

What he said in the US on TV:
www.goodmorningamerica.com

Macron says Putin made 'huge mistake' invading Ukraine but negotiations still 'possible'

French President Emmanuel Macron told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos he believes negotiation is still "possible" with Vladimir Putin to end Russia's invasion of Ukraine
www.goodmorningamerica.com www.goodmorningamerica.com

All predicated by "If Ukraine is ready" of course. But more of the same bollox he has been spouting since day 1.
It should also be noted that If the French actually put money into defeating Russia, then negotiations might get somewhere. Won't happen unless Russia is losing snd losing badly.
 
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