Think it was Pythagoras. But even then, it’s not round. It’s flat at the poles.
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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blueparrot
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Thought he just did triangles :)Think it was Pythagoras. But even then, it’s not round. It’s flat at the poles.
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Nah the Sumarians, Babylonians, Chinese and later ancients knew the world was round. It was only Western Europe under the stewardship of the Catholic church who thought it wasn't.True, but it was known long before Galileo the earth was round, think the ancient Greeks were there first.
andyhinch
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Think Aristotle was the first to prove it but it’s all Greek to me ;-)Think it was Pythagoras. But even then, it’s not round. It’s flat at the poles.
No you melt, that's DiaryleaThought he just did triangles :)
The emotional reaction to Macron’s words is understandable but, in the long run, misguided. Of course we would never have given Hitler guarantees but we gave them to Germany and to rescued democrats such as Adenauer.I don’t think it’s correct to characterise him as a coward because by the same token, it suggests those politicians that readily send their armed forces to war are brave, which they are not. Do you think Blair was ‘brave’ to send our troops to Iraq?
His comments are out of order and miscalculated but they are not cowardly. We need a chastened and less truculent Russia at the end of this and the only way to achieve that is by pushing them back to where they were in February at the very least, possibly 2013.
I agree that he’s bald though.
The West’s guarantee was its presence on German soil, the establishment of NATO and the Marshall plan. This was the opposite of the post WW1 policy which failed with disastrous results.
We may work towards a policy for rapprochement with Russia and encourage a change of leadership as a first step. With Russia’s economy in ruins, it would make no sense just to bang the drum shouting Russia must pay. The cost of the reconstruction of Ukraine is now put at 600 billion euros and rising. Russia could not hope to meet such a bill.
To those who say France and Germany are just looking to their own interest, I would reply that that is exactly what they do already within the EU. If Ukraine joins, plus ca change.
When the war is won, we must react with our heads and not just with revengeful hearts. Russia will end with much longer borders with NATO than it had before and we would do well to ensure that the Russian bear is not too resentful and fearful. We do not want a repeat.
Scottyboi
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-10 tonight in Bakhmut
gordondaviesmoustache
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Completely agree with all that.The emotional reaction to Macron’s words is understandable but, in the long run, misguided. Of course we would never have given Hitler guarantees but we gave them to Germany and to rescued democrats such as Adenauer.
The West’s guarantee was its presence on German soil, the establishment of NATO and the Marshall plan. This was the opposite of the post WW1 policy which failed with disastrous results.
We may work towards a policy for rapprochement with Russia and encourage a change of leadership as a first step. With Russia’s economy in ruins, it would make no sense just to bang the drum shouting Russia must pay. The cost of the reconstruction of Ukraine is now put at 600 billion euros and rising. Russia could not hope to meet such a bill.
To those who say France and Germany are just looking to their own interest, I would reply that that is exactly what they do already within the EU. If Ukraine joins, plus ca change.
When the war is won, we must react with our heads and not just with revengeful hearts. Russia will end with much longer borders with NATO than it had before and we would do well to ensure that the Russian bear is not too resentful and fearful. We do not want a repeat.
unconfirmed but it looks like someone smoked something illegal at the engels airfield in russia
Posted the other day there was a lot of stuff going on at this Airfield.
It was jam packed with bombers.
Slava Ukraini.
But it’s not like our -10. Been in Warszawa and it was -30 and it wasn’t too bad. It’s a dry cold. My family come from Ukrainian land. They said the cold in the UK was far worse. That said. -10 without electricity Id gonna be shite. Fuck Putin-10 tonight in Bakhmut