Russian invasion of Ukraine

The Northern Baptist said:
Do you think that’s realistic? That would mean Russia either handing back Crimea or Ukraine taking it back.
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Did you think Ukraine taking back almost 50% of Russian occupied lands was realistic last summer?

But look at what happened in Kharkiv and Kherson!

And don't forget Crimea is a massive headache for Putin.. it's a desert without water and that has to be shipped in everyday for its residents! They actually want loyal Crimeans to leave Crimea!
 


That's probably the alternative to giving them F-16's and training.

It would probably be a lot easier to accomplish on the Polish (some of which have likely made their way to Ukraine already) and Slovakian MiG-29s that were overhauled last decade to NATO standards.

They have to be given up anyway since parts and service are no longer available from Russia.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
So how does this all end then? The experts like Fiona Hill think this will rumble on for years like Iran-Iraq war. Does Ukraine ultimately have to come to an agreement with Russia and give up lost territory?
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Sadly yes, Ukraine will have it give up lost territory.

The Russian want Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson. Once they conquer what's left of those territories (they're 80-85% controlled at the moment) mission accomplished.
 
Hank said:
Sadly yes, Ukraine will have it give up lost territory.

The Russian want Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson. Once they conquer what's left of those territories (they're 80-85% controlled at the moment) mission accomplished.
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Yeah, it's going so well for them. Kherson, a sitting duck for Russia.

72 more hours, all done.
 
Hank said:
Sadly yes, Ukraine will have it give up lost territory.

The Russian want Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson. Once they conquer what's left of those territories (they're 80-85% controlled at the moment) mission accomplished.
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Nope. That’s when the hard part starts and they have to fight a gorilla war for years with thousands of heavily armed cells all hell bent on killing Russian soldiers.

Something like 98% of all US deaths in iraq came after the “mission accomplished” part. Even if they do win those areas ( they won’t in my opinion ) they still lose.
 
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