Russian invasion of Ukraine

tregyblue61 said:
Around 2 minutes at between 15 and 30 knots for all sizes.
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Watched a documentary about Somali pirates....the one in question was being chased by an American frigate. For some reason they didn't or couldn't fire at it so they followed it until it ran out of fuel. The somali coast came into view with the pirates still running. The Amrican captain did somethiing which they say has never been done before and circles the pirate vessel at full chat, the maelstrom of wake off the frigate swamped the pirates and they gave up. The manoeveur has been named after the captain and it looked quite spectacular.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve asked it repeatedly. What is the point in doing a deal with someone who won’t keep to it?

Still waiting for a meaningful answer.
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I think it's more about providing stable, long term support for Ukraine: a deal is signed which agrees status of Crimea and Donbass; Ukraine now qualifies for NATO and rebuilding can start towards EU membership; NATO membership deters Russia from reneging.

None of that requires trust in Putin, but it does require a deal.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I think it's more about providing stable, long term support for Ukraine: a deal is signed which agrees status of Crimea and Donbass; Ukraine now qualifies for NATO and rebuilding can start towards EU membership; NATO membership deters Russia from reneging.

None of that requires trust in Putin, but it does require a deal.
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But that’s not a deal, in the sense that it’s negotiated. It’s simply a statement of the position arrived at by the deployment of military force, as much as the Versailles Treaty wasn’t, in reality, a negotiated settlement.

I’m referring to people who say Ukraine should sit down with Putin now, and reach a negotiated settlement of the conflict.

I have seen no cogent argument for such a step.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
But that’s not a deal, in the sense that it’s negotiated. It’s simply a statement of the position arrived at by the deployment of military force, as much as the Versailles Treaty wasn’t, in reality, a negotiated settlement.

I’m referring to people who say Ukraine should sit down with Putin now, and reach a negotiated settlement of the conflict.

I have seen no cogent argument for such a step.
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I remember Mr Abromovic and his former mentor Oligarch having a legal battle.
They both at the time lived in I think Monte Carlo but chose UK ie London to judge their case.
The outcome was Mr A. won but only because he effectively told less lies.

Predictably the opponent of Mr A died suspiciously a short time after said Court Case.
 
Although things are going well for Ukraine, Russia is having some sucess hitting immobile western artilary pieces a third of these have been destroyed or damaged (a loss ratio of about 1 Ukrainian piece to 6 Russian ones) the trouble is Russia has a lot of Artilary compared to Ukraine. Ukraine needs lots more artilary from the west.
www.forbes.com

Russia Hits Immobile And Predictable M-777, AHS Krab, And M-109 Howitzers Hard

With Russia hitting more than 30% of Ukraine's NATO-standard M-777 guns, the fight to save Ukraine suggests that, on the modern battlefield, unpredictable mobility is life.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
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