Russian invasion of Ukraine

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If the reports of the US telling Ukraine not only to stop attacking Russian infrastructure but that they now won't supply long range ATACMS because of the attacks are true then the US have proved they aren't a reliable partner. Hopefully our government will wake up to the fact that the "special" relationship only works in one direction and that the Americans simply can't be trusted. We need closer relationships with European countries, build up so we can defend ourselves as a bloc and leave the US to themselves. The US don't want Ukraine to win, they want Russia to be irreparably damaged for their own benefit.

Spot on. We simply can’t rely upon the US anymore. Anyone who cannot appreciate this is completely deluded.

We voted to leave the EU, and what’s done is done, but putting economic and political arguments to one side, Europe must now pull together militarily if we are to deter and possibly repel this threat. Again, anyone who cannot appreciate the nature of the threat we face from Russia is completely deluded. A menacing and obstructive regime has descended into one characterised by insanity consumed by paranoia and evil. The arguments about NATO expansion to the east have been overwhelmed with what Russia has become since the invasion two years ago.

This will mean difficult decisions and sacrifices, including financial ones. It will mean higher taxation and loss of some things we have taken for granted.

Nothing last forever, and the knowledge (or possibly belief) that the US would come to our aid if we needed her hold little or no water any more. They will continue further on this path to isolation in the years ahead, whoever wins in November. They will have their own internal wars to wage, I fear.

Europe is on its own, and must wake up to the threat it now faces, and act together to defend itself.

 

[Keeper!]

If the reports of the US telling Ukraine not only to stop attacking Russian infrastructure but that they now won't supply long range ATACMS because of the attacks are true then the US have proved they aren't a reliable partner. Hopefully our government will wake up to the fact that the "special" relationship only works in one direction and that the Americans simply can't be trusted. We need closer relationships with European countries, build up so we can defend ourselves as a bloc and leave the US to themselves. The US don't want Ukraine to win, they want Russia to be irreparably damaged for their own benefit.

100% this.

The European nations should be our one and only priority, the USA has always looked after itself.

Europe has never since WW2 needed to stay together more than at this time.

Hopefully all the Euro nations will wake up and make sure their defence forces are fit for purpose.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Great Good Friday evening listen for those interested in the development, nature, and tactics, and absurdities of dictatorships, including Putin’s escalation to invading Ukraine and his farcical efforts to assuage his mysophobia. And Queen Elizabeth’s detest for Nicolae Ceaușescu.

This is one of my favourite podcasts, from Tim Harford, one of my favourite popular nonfiction writers and economic journalists, so I highly recommend other episodes, as well as his articles and books.

Good listen , the Alcoa story makes me think why it isn't put into legal statute or company law that every CEO or owner of an enterprise should make their personal phone numbers available to all staff at any time or place of their choosing

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

If the reports of the US telling Ukraine not only to stop attacking Russian infrastructure but that they now won't supply long range ATACMS because of the attacks are true then the US have proved they aren't a reliable partner. Hopefully our government will wake up to the fact that the "special" relationship only works in one direction and that the Americans simply can't be trusted. We need closer relationships with European countries, build up so we can defend ourselves as a bloc and leave the US to themselves. The US don't want Ukraine to win, they want Russia to be irreparably damaged for their own benefit.

It's a special relationship in name only imo. The yanks have always worked any relationship present to their advantage.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

100% this.

The European nations should be our one and only priority, the USA has always looked after itself.

Europe has never since WW2 needed to stay together more than at this time.

Hopefully all the Euro nations will wake up and make sure their defence forces are fit for purpose.

We should be upping defence spending to cold war levels and certainly increase the armed forces man power.

 

[mosssideblue]

We should be upping defence spending to cold war levels and certainly increase the armed forces man power.

Problem is today, far fewer are looking to the armed forces as an employment choice

 

[ChicagoBlue]

If the reports of the US telling Ukraine not only to stop attacking Russian infrastructure but that they now won't supply long range ATACMS because of the attacks are true then the US have proved they aren't a reliable partner. Hopefully our government will wake up to the fact that the "special" relationship only works in one direction and that the Americans simply can't be trusted. We need closer relationships with European countries, build up so we can defend ourselves as a bloc and leave the US to themselves. The US don't want Ukraine to win, they want Russia to be irreparably damaged for their own benefit.

Ridiculous!

Show me who has given more and at what political cost, both in Ukraine and Israel!

The Russian and Palestinian bots are working overtime to try to destroy the relationship that has helped keep some level of global military stability for decades. Dont help them.

Sadly, though, it appears all it takes is Twitterbots and not getting all your own way 100% of the time, because we don’t have a king, but a Congress that tries to tie hands every now and then, and we are suddenly “not reliable”?? Fucking grab a clue!

Trump is a nationalist and isolationist, because he’s too stupid to mix it with actual world leaders who see right through his lagging and patently obvious lack of intellect.

Given that, the world should be pulling for Biden and sanity…and hard…but there are so many gullible snowflakes out there who can’t see the grey in real life that some pet cause will keep them from saving civilization from The Orange Clown!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

100% this.

The European nations should be our one and only priority, the USA has always looked after itself.

Europe has never since WW2 needed to stay together more than at this time.

Hopefully all the Euro nations will wake up and make sure their defence forces are fit for purpose.

That’s a fucking short memory of “always”!!

With friends like you…!!!

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Problem is today, far fewer are looking to the armed forces as an employment choice

We need to make it an attractive career choice. Increase salaries pensions and benefits significantly.

Perhaps offer grads the same scheme the yanks do to sponsor students through university?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

That’s a fucking short memory of “always”!!

With friends like you…!!!

I think he saying that Europe has relied too heavily on the US for defence support. Hard to say that is not true? And isn't good for either party?