Russian invasion of Ukraine

bluesteel said:
I think there’s been a logical, methodical plan that goes back a very long way, at least to 2007 when he put the world, and certainly Europe, on notice that Moscow would not accept the further expansion of NATO. And then within a year in 2008 NATO gave an open door to Georgia and Ukraine. It absolutely goes back to that juncture.

Back then I was a national intelligence officer, and the National Intelligence Council was analyzing what Russia was likely to do in response to the NATO Open Door declaration. One of our assessments was that there was a real, genuine risk of some kind of preemptive Russian military action, not just confined to the annexation of Crimea, but some much larger action taken against Ukraine along with Georgia. And of course, four months after NATO’s Bucharest Summit, there was the invasion of Georgia. There wasn’t an invasion of Ukraine then because the Ukrainian government pulled back from seeking NATO membership.”

And you clearly say:

SWP's back said:
The illegal invasion of Ukraine has NOTHING to do with NATO.

Not me embarrassing myself. That’s just you reading the bits you want to read and acting like a prick, there is a lot more to this that just NATO/Georgia/Ukraine, but you've constantly spouted shit like above (and below) on this thread ignoring key aspects of what is going on.

See this, same article

"Putin tried to warn Trump about this, but I don’t think Trump figured out what he was saying. In one of the last meetings between Putin and Trump when I was there, Putin was making the point that: “Well you know, Donald, we have these hypersonic missiles.” And Trump was saying, “Well, we will get them too.” Putin was saying, “Well, yes, you will get them eventually, but we’ve got them first.” There was a menace in this exchange. Putin was putting us on notice that if push came to shove in some confrontational environment that the nuclear option would be on the table."


Your response:

"That’s also bollocks.

Fuck me the absolute state of this thread."
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Oh my god you’re so bloody stupid. What you posted from Fiona Hill doesn’t make you right. Russia invading Ukraine does not mean it had anything to do with NATO. Ukraine we’re not joining NATO. NATO a rules dictate that they wouldn’t be able to join anyway because of the situation in Crimea (no country that has a border dispute is allowed to join).

Your “winning argument” based on what she is saying is not what you think it is. She is not saying the war is down to Ukraine joining NATO. She even says there wasn’t an invasion because the Ukrainian govt backed away from NATO membership. Well news flash, they never started the process for joining again either. NATO has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS FUCKING INVASION. Her next paragraphs state why he is invading.

If you actually take the time to read the article you keep fucking quoting then do your best to comprehend them at the same time and then you won’t look quite so idiotic to the forum.
 
Nick_1985 said:
Whether it ends in nuclear war or not you do not let cunts like Putin dictate what happens where, who gets what, and that's on top of the murder of innocent men, women and children.

I hope this **** is dragged into the street and hung from the nearest tree. You don't back down from these bastards you go toe to toe with them the best you can. Fucking bring it on Putin. We'll fucking flattern you.
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All very true bud but not by financial sanctions alone.
 
Chippy_boy said:
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There you go, I can cut and paste just as well as you can. And since you are such voracious reader, take a gander through this whilst you're at it.

Why Does Putin Hate NATO? – LifeWrap

"Putin, on the other hand, claims that NATO is a continuation of Europe’s anti-Russian sentiments that predate World War II. Russians have suffered five invasions from what it considers the West: the Polish occupation of the Kremlin in the early 17th century, Swedish attacks in the early 18th century, Napoleon’s invasion of 1812, and two wars with Germany in the first half of the twentieth century.

These were mentioned in Putin’s recent speech on Ukraine, in which he argued that the EU and the US were inspired by “16th-century Polish Austrian ideologists”. Putin then discussed how NATO was following in the footsteps of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and Nazi Germany by using Ukraine as an anti-Russian springboard. Leaving aside whether Putin’s interpretation of history is correct, the point is that, whereas the West sees NATO as a post-World War II peacekeeping project, Putin sees NATO as just another anti-Russian project."
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Ahahaha yes that’s just the same as quoting former ambassadors and Russia experts in The Atlantic, lovely blog. Well done. Have a good day. Try and sleep well tonight.
 
Just heard two former senior military on LBC

Saying public opinion will demand a response if these war crimes continue

Thank god there is no chance of Johnson risking a nuclear war to save his job and get in the history books eh?
 
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