Russian invasion of Ukraine

When people blame Nato for causing this, all they can "blame" them for is accelerating what russia always intended to do. As has been said they have bordered Nato for years, this has nothing to do with Nato bordering them or for the security of russia. If nukes were a concern the distance of ukraine is making no difference with modern technology and if we get to that unfortunate stage, nowhere on earth is safe anyway. It is just one of the many lies they throw out in the hope that some stick.

Putin's problem with nato is that he knows as soon as Ukraine joins nato his ability to conquer them is gone forever, this is a desperate last attempt to regain historical russian land before it solidifies its independence from russia forever.

This is also why the "dont expand east or we will be angry" became a talking point despite never being an actual agreement, as they always intended to reintegrate land lost from the USSR in the future, they were never acting in good faith.

If not for these nations joining nato already, russia would be half way across europe by now threatening anyone who steps with nuclear war, those nations who decided to join nato have been entirely vindicated.
 
Octavian said:
Putin ordered his nukes to be on a higher level of alert for less!
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MI5 just found this above Bluesteels bed.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Fair points.


Also agreed, although I cannot see the west doing anything that would *tangibly* risk WW3. I mean seriously, we have what appears to be a fairly weak US President (and his backing would be essential), 4,000 miles away, being asked to risk the lives of tens of millions of Americans in order to protect a non-NATO country that used to be part of Russia.

It's unimaginable.
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Biden is an old-fashioned Democrat brought up during the Cold War, so this is familiar territory. The idea of weakness is fashioned as much by our own perceptions than reality. Biden was said to be weak given the handling of Afghanistan. Yet Biden pursued his strategy of pulling out of Afghanistan in the face of opposition from his Generals and European allies, all wanting him to ‘delay things further’. Irrespective of whether you agree with the decision, the way in which it was pursued did not suggest a weakness of resolve. Single minded stubbornness, deaf to reason, maybe, but weak it was not.

There was much wailing about the demise of the West after Afghanistan and maybe Putin drew comfort from that, but the West has responded well over Ukraine and the Americans were on the money throughout with their view an invasion was imminent - even naming the day ( which was a bit cheeky). There was a lot of rubbishing of the American intel and how Putin was simply ‘playing’ Biden, yet Putin is the one knee deep in Ukraine with bodies piling up and his economy in the shitter, so who is ‘playing’ who now?

Countries have stepped up and the US has been the one leading. The EU nor anyone else was going to go this far on sanctions unless the US was on board. Is Biden going to risk nuclear war over Ukraine? No. I doubt any US President would, but then the US isn’t threatening nuclear war. It doesn’t have to if it keeps applying nuclear economic sanctions and that is also telling when it comes to respective strengths because the US can arse fuck Russia economically, but Russia can’t do the same to the US. All Russia has is nukes and military threats. Outside of that it’s like being threatened by Portugal.
 
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