Russian invasion of Ukraine

[southamptonblue]

Again just putting it out there: What if the man you are dealing with is absolutely very prepared to wipe out most of the human race and has the capability to do so? Or at the very least hundreds of millions of lives. Is that still "worth it" in the persuit of containing Russian expansion for what, 10 years? Putin will not last forever.

Genuine question BTW.

Your right.....and on the flip side there are plenty of American senators and Congress members who privately think any good Russian is a dead Russian....it could be a more scary situation if the States get an excuse to attack Russia, Don't nievely think that some aren't hoping for that ;)

 

[DTKOAG]

I think the end of Roman's Chelsea empire is near...

Chelsea: Roman Abramovich says he plans to sell club

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich says he plans to sell the Premier League club.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Chippy_boy]

Ukraine is not the west's to give

Didn't stop us carving up the Middle East.

 

[daveiw01]

People keep talking about a way out for Putin, but imagine if he keeps going for a minute.

Imagine an occupation like Afghanistan.

Instead of 40 year old soviet weapons the enemy is armed with the best modern technology in the world.

Then imagine there’s a real army of 400,000 to defeat first not an untrained rabble.

Then imagine instead of 1% of the population being against you, it’s more like 80%.

Then imagine that As long as it goes on, your economy is in the worst depression in history and inflation is reaching Zimbabwe levels.

Then imagine how low morale is back home now that you’re kicked out of all international sport, films aren’t released, there’s no gigs because bands don’t tour - not that you could afford it anyway.

People can’t buy a new phone or computer or to unless it’s Chinese. They can’t get parts for your cars. They can’t get flights anywhere.

Tens of thousands of mothers just lose contact with their sons and never hear from them again, never get to bury them or properly mourn.

Every political ally you have just lost 80% of their money and every day a coup is more likely.

This is Vietnam and the Great Depression and North Korea pariah status all in one.

Imagine knowing that you’ll go down as the worst president in the country’s history.

The off ramp is avoiding that. Come up with whatever lie and excuse you need to bring your “Special Military Exercise” to an end.

Spot on, I just hope he see it too.

 

[SWP's back]

We do seem to be taking our time with the sanctions, should be much much wider than they currently are.

Boris just said the U.K. has sanctioned 275 individuals in the last week. Are you sure that tweet is correct?

 

[Scottyboi]

Again just putting it out there: What if the man you are dealing with is absolutely very prepared to wipe out most of the human race and has the capability to do so? Or at the very least hundreds of millions of lives. Is that still "worth it" in the persuit of containing Russian expansion for what, 10 years? Putin will not last forever.

Genuine question BTW.

Every diplomatic solution has to be tried 10x over first whilst helping Ukraine fight off the invasion.

As the picture builds I guess the US will decide what the next step is, wonder how much information the special forces have on all them nuclear types of installations and weaponry and how to take them down.

If America genuinely think he will use them they will most likely let Ukraine fall and the new cold war begins with Finland and Sweden joining Nato.

But no one seems to have called any of this right so far, it is a clusterfuck where painful decisions keep having to be made that will haunt people for a lifetime.

 

[Gray]

Hopefully no fucker watches it

I will not be giving it a secondof my time. I hope the BBC are not broadcasting it.

 

[SWP's back]

When you put it like that it all sounds fairly reasonable from a strategic/national security perspective!

Oh look, you’re being contrary again.

 

[cptaidan88]

People keep talking about a way out for Putin, but imagine if he keeps going for a minute.

Imagine an occupation like Afghanistan.

Instead of 40 year old soviet weapons the enemy is armed with the best modern technology in the world.

Then imagine there’s a real army of 400,000 to defeat first not an untrained rabble.

Then imagine instead of 1% of the population being against you, it’s more like 80%.

Then imagine that As long as it goes on, your economy is in the worst depression in history and inflation is reaching Zimbabwe levels.

Then imagine how low morale is back home now that you’re kicked out of all international sport, films aren’t released, there’s no gigs because bands don’t tour - not that you could afford it anyway.

People can’t buy a new phone or computer or to unless it’s Chinese. They can’t get parts for your cars. They can’t get flights anywhere.

Tens of thousands of mothers just lose contact with their sons and never hear from them again, never get to bury them or properly mourn.

Every political ally you have just lost 80% of their money and every day a coup is more likely.

This is Vietnam and the Great Depression and North Korea pariah status all in one.

Imagine knowing that you’ll go down as the worst president in the country’s history.

The off ramp is avoiding that. Come up with whatever lie and excuse you need to bring your “Special Military Exercise” to an end.

Just dont see how he can back out now and retain power, which is all that matters to him.

This is going towards either a bigger war or him being removed internally and I'm not confident that will happen. Whilst he has China on side, or at least not against him he'll be secure.

 

[SWP's back]

Thought you'd like this - one of your Chicago brethren!

10:30 in he says that basically only him and 3 others think the way he thinks and everyone else thinks he’s a ****. I’m sure you empathise.